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| ZzaphodD wrote: | | The 'arguement' about the slow travelling laser bursts has been put forth before. Also in personal combat.e. |
semi-official explanation for that. According to the "Incredible Cross Sections" book, the glowing light that we see in the films isn't actually the blaster bolt, but some sort of energy leakage after effect. Supposedly the actual bolt is traveling faster. Sounds good except that object hit don't explode until the "light" reaches them. |
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Fallon Kell
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| atgxtg wrote: | | Raven Redstar wrote: | | Never mind... all sublight engines in the Star Trek RPG are expressed in fractions of light speed. Fastest running a .95 x speed of light. |
Not only that, but they tend to be expressed in terms of millicochranes, so it looks like Trek's sublight engines are generating a warp field for propulsion So Trek movement isn't Newtonian. That would explain why Ships in Trek can accelerate to high fractions of lightspeed so quickly.. |
Despite the fact that they've pretty clearly stated that impulse drives do not generate warp fields... 
Why must people check their consistency at the the door when they write sci-fi?
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| atgxtg wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: | | The 'arguement' about the slow travelling laser bursts has been put forth before. Also in personal combat.e. |
semi-official explanation for that. According to the "Incredible Cross Sections" book, the glowing light that we see in the films isn't actually the blaster bolt, but some sort of energy leakage after effect. Supposedly the actual bolt is traveling faster. Sounds good except that object hit don't explode until the "light" reaches them. |
Yeah. Basically the 'light' is moving slowly because it looked better in the movies.. (or the fact that it was 'hand drawn').. 
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| Fallon Kell wrote: |
Despite the fact that they've pretty clearly stated that impulse drives do not generate warp fields... |
Have they? A lot of things fans just assumed. And there has been some redefining done along the way. Not to mention the occasional error. For years fandom had the Constitution-class at 190,000 tons displacement, due to a misunderstanding of the term "deadweight tonnage".
| Fallon Kell wrote: |
Why must people check their consistency at the the door when they write sci-fi? |
More like new writers don't want to be "limited" by the show's history. Both Enterprise and the J.J. Adams film used time travel to get around continuity Although I, for one, don't like it when they do that.. |
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Abrams is a soap opera writer.
Sorry, I don't like his style.
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Fallon Kell
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| atgxtg wrote: | | Fallon Kell wrote: |
Despite the fact that they've pretty clearly stated that impulse drives do not generate warp fields... |
Have they? A lot of things fans just assumed. And there has been some redefining done along the way. Not to mention the occasional error. For years fandom had the Constitution-class at 190,000 tons displacement, due to a misunderstanding of the term "deadweight tonnage". |
I read it in the Starship Enterprise Technical Journal or something like that. They even took the time to mention that warp travel doesn't have relativistic effects on how much passage of time you experience, but that impulse does.
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| jmanski wrote: | Abrams is a soap opera writer.
Sorry, I don't like his style. |
Don't be sorry,you don't have to like his style. I don't like it either. |
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| Fallon Kell wrote: | | I read it in the Starship Enterprise Technical Journal or something like that. They even took the time to mention that warp travel doesn't have relativistic effects on how much passage of time you experience, but that impulse does. |
You can't take the TMs very seriously, especially ones from the latter series. They have a tendency to retcon, and then pull a 1984. And even the on-screen stuff is contradictory.
Heck, even the United Federation of Planets is a retcon! |
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Still, everything I've ever seen on impulse drives says they don't generate warp fields. Then they go and measure the power of impulse drives in milicochranes... Do they even care? I mean, it's not the casual Star Trek fan crowd that plays a trekkie RPG. It's the kind of hard-core fans who want consistency.
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| Fallon Kell wrote: | | I mean, it's not the casual Star Trek fan crowd that plays a trekkie RPG. It's the kind of hard-core fans who want consistency. |
We played Star Trek back in the 1990s before we switched to playing Star Wars. I wouldn't say we were at all hard-core, probably more casual fans. We used a very rules light version of the FASA game - which did the job pretty well. It's actually the only RPG I've played where improvement in skills/stats was practically nil. |
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| atgxtg wrote: | | jmanski wrote: | Abrams is a soap opera writer.
Sorry, I don't like his style. |
Don't be sorry,you don't have to like his style. I don't like it either. |
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| jmanski wrote: | | atgxtg wrote: | | jmanski wrote: | Abrams is a soap opera writer.
Sorry, I don't like his style. |
Don't be sorry,you don't have to like his style. I don't like it either. |
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| Fallon Kell wrote: | | Still, everything I've ever seen on impulse drives says they don't generate warp fields. Then they go and measure the power of impulse drives in milicochranes... Do they even care? I mean, it's not the casual Star Trek fan crowd that plays a trekkie RPG. It's the kind of hard-core fans who want consistency. |
Well, the millicochrane thing harks back to the TNG TM, so that's something like 20 years ago.
And it is TV. We should be grateful that it is a consistent as it is. It could have been a lot worse. And up until the last TV series it didn't retcon things as much or as badly as Star Wars. At least it doesn't have any "Edith Keeler shot first" retconns! |
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