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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ship projecting a force field maintaining a 1 atmosphere pressure that is not breathable but prevents them from needing to take time to get on a space suit is a good explanation for the atmosphere, but I have a much harder time with the Falcon projecting gravity underneath the characters' feet so they could walk around the ship in approximately 1g. As far as ridiculous scientific gobbledegook goes, the space slug having the natural ability to manipulate gravity to navigate asteroid fields explains the the gravity, atmosphere, and space slug locomotion, so I feel it is a more holistic explanation.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The ship projecting a force field maintaining a 1 atmosphere pressure that is not breathable but prevents them from needing to take time to get on a space suit is a good explanation for the atmosphere, but I have a much harder time with the Falcon projecting gravity underneath the characters' feet so they could walk around the ship in approximately 1g. As far as ridiculous scientific gobbledegook goes, the space slug having the natural ability to manipulate gravity to navigate asteroid fields explains the the gravity, atmosphere, and space slug locomotion, so I feel it is a more holistic explanation.

The ship already generates a 1G artificial gravity field; I don't see a problem with temporarily expanding that outside the ship, too.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
I forget. But it's either that or believe that asteroids maintain a somewhat viable atmosphere.


Since they were inside that slug's gullet, i think it was the beast projecting it!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The ship projecting a force field maintaining a 1 atmosphere pressure that is not breathable but prevents them from needing to take time to get on a space suit is a good explanation for the atmosphere, but I have a much harder time with the Falcon projecting gravity underneath the characters' feet so they could walk around the ship in approximately 1g. As far as ridiculous scientific gobbledegook goes, the space slug having the natural ability to manipulate gravity to navigate asteroid fields explains the the gravity, atmosphere, and space slug locomotion, so I feel it is a more holistic explanation.

The ship already generates a 1G artificial gravity field; I don't see a problem with temporarily expanding that outside the ship, too.

As Star Wars fans we all have our own individual tolerances for the scientific realities of Star Wars. I see our difference in how we think of artificial gravity working as drastic. Please forgive the crudeness of this diagram. Imagine the landing gear as there and the Falcon is landed inside the space slug.


For me, the easiest way to swallow this pill is if artificial gravity works as much like natural gravity as possible. Natural gravity pulls physical objects with mass together. I envision such a thing as physical "gravity plating" built into the ventral-most flooring of any area you want artificial gravity. The green bar in the ship is an approximation and the green arrows represent the pull of gravity towards the gravity plating. Artificial gravity is directional so it pulls strait "down" on what is "above" it (dorsal to ventral), so the top of the ship would have virtually the same gravity as inside the ship, but there wouldn't be any gravity under or beside the ship. The artificial gravity may be adjustable in level, but the gravity plates are physical objects generating gravity that pulls other physical objects strait towards them.

Maybe the gravity plating can work both ways and that is what is holding the Falcon to the belly of the space slug. Maybe the Falcon can even generate artificial gravity in all directions, but that would still only make sense to me if the objects around Falcon were attracted strait to the Falcon.

The red is your description of artificial gravity. The ship projects a field of energy below and around the ship, and this invisible field of energy has gravity in a direction away from ship. You have no problem with that, but that is like fantasy magic compared to my model. It's like the Falcon is casting a spell and temporally imbuing the guts of the space slug with gravity so the characters can go out and walk around on it!

Of course, you should have it work in whatever way it works best for you. I just think there is a significant difference when you seem to dismiss the difference as trivial. If the space slug has the natural ability to manipulate gravity, that explains the gravity under the ship without the fantastic projected artificial gravity plane of energy, and how the space slugs move around an asteroid field.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But if it were an aspect of space slugs and not starship systems, Han would’ve known right away that they weren’t in a normal asteroid. Even if he knew absolutely nothing about space slugs, he should be more than familiar enough with the Falcon’s capabilities to know the ship isn’t generating the gravity, which should’ve started him wondering right away as to what is.

As for the tech, this is a universe where thousands of g’s of gravity can be neutralized with little apparent effort. It’s not such a stretch to imagine extending a 1-g field a few meters beyond its normal radius for a few minutes.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
But if it were an aspect of space slugs and not starship systems, Han would’ve known right away that they weren’t in a normal asteroid. Even if he knew absolutely nothing about space slugs, he should be more than familiar enough with the Falcon’s capabilities to know the ship isn’t generating the gravity, which should’ve started him wondering right away as to what is.

That's a good point, which brings to mind another possibility, one where there was no ship-generated gravity at all and it was all inertia.

Maybe Han wanted to shut down the artificial gravity of the ship to effect repairs on the hyperdrive. If the asteroid was rotating, and they landed on a "cave" (space slug belly) "wall" oriented such that the bottom of the ship was opposite the center of the rotation, they could use the "centripetal force" effect of the asteroid's rotation as gravity just like how my washer's spin cycle pulls the water from my clothes. When Han said that one will do nicely, he could have been looking for a larger asteroid with the proper rotation and a tunnel where they could find the just the right distance from the center of the asteroid to achieve a net result of approximately 1g in force pulling on the ventral side of the ship.

Han seemed surprised by the moisture outside the ship so that would mean that at least some water vapor had to have already been present before they got there. It is not unreasonable that large asteroids that have been spinning for billions of years could have pockets of collected gases trapped inside by the inertia of the rotation. (But like you said, the Falcon could still vent some compressed gas from the ship within a force field like space hangers to create the proper air pressure needed outside for them to walk around in it comfortably.)

So this new theory allows for everything we see and Han to not realize they were inside of a giant space slug. This eliminates the need for the space slug to have the fantastic ability to generate or manipulate gravity. Maybe they get where they are going by bouncing from asteroid to asteroid like a spring. And this also allows artificial gravity to work like I imagine it where physical gravity plating pulls matter towards it without projected invisible energy fields that have their own gravity pulling things away from the ship. I really do love these talks that we have!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually don't have a problem with space slugs being able to manipulate gravity; the SW Sourcebook describes them as being able to "swim through space" so obviously some natural mechanism must allow that, and the natural ability to generate and maintain a directional gravity field is a simple-enough explanation. It also adds to their potential value, as discussed here. However, I don't think the ability to manipulate gravity necessitates that ability be "on" at all times, certainly not while "resting" inside an asteroid.

Personally, I'm sticking with my original theory of allowing ships to temporarily generate g-fields in their immediate vicinity, both because it works well as an explanation for what we see on-screen in ESB and because it lays the groundwork for broader usage by player characters in-universe in similar situations.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
I actually don't have a problem with space slugs being able to manipulate gravity; the SW Sourcebook describes them as being able to "swim through space" so obviously some natural mechanism must allow that, and the natural ability to generate and maintain a directional gravity field is a simple-enough explanation. It also adds to their potential value, as discussed here. However, I don't think the ability to manipulate gravity necessitates that ability be "on" at all times, certainly not while "resting" inside an asteroid.

That makes sense. I'm glad my explanation no longer relies on active gravity generation from the space slug.

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Personally, I'm sticking with my original theory of allowing ships to temporarily generate g-fields in their immediate vicinity, both because it works well as an explanation for what we see on-screen in ESB and because it lays the groundwork for broader usage by player characters in-universe in similar situations.

Fair enough, but I'm ok with my PCs not being able to extend energy fields that have their own gravity at a different angle than projected by the ship. Despite the miracles of lightsabers, hyperdrives and planet killers, Star Wars has a general anti-technology message which I really take to heart. Star Wars already has so many outrageous technologies as it is so I don't feel the need to make them more outrageous than they need to be to explain what we see on screen. My Star Wars universe works best for me if magical "Guardians of the Galaxy" type of technology is kept to a minimum, and my SWU has to work for me before it can work for my players.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2017 11:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm certainly not advocating for characters to walk on the walls or the ceilings. I just picture this running in the background to explain why characters can disregard the various hazards of deep space and simply throw on a breath mask and step outside.
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