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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
I dunno, but some of those ships in battleship gothic could be used also..

I've got the Battlefleet Gothic ships reserved for something else. I want to use the Warhammer 40K races to populate the Unknown Regions, complete with their own ships.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForbinProject wrote:
The beauty of Renegade Legion is that you don't have to pick a side. Renegade units are armed with whatever TOG ships/fighters/tanks they defected with and whatever ships and equipment the Commonwealth adds to their TO&E.

I really don't want to get into an off-topic debate on Renegade Legion, so all I'll say is that this is more applicable in the SWU than the RLU. In the past of the RLU, it may have been so, but by the "present time", both sides have their own factories and shipyards churning out unique equipment.

In the SWU, however, it's part of the official history that a good-sized portion of the Corellian fleet defected and joined the Alliance (as indicated by the presence of large numbers of Corellian capital ships at Sullust prior to Endor). As such, whatever ship I pick (and I'm leaning toward the Commonwealth) will, in fact, be the primary ship for both the Imperial Loyalist Corellian Navy and their renegade factions that joined up with the Alliance.
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PostPosted: Tue May 02, 2017 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
I really don't want to get into an off-topic debate on Renegade Legion


Sorry wasn't my intention to start a debate. I only meant to try to encourage you to not feel restricted to any one faction when choosing crossover ships.

If you prefer Commonwealth that's great. I'm more eclectic, and find I like something from column A, as well as column B.

Whatever you decide I know I'll be happy with the results.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForbinProject wrote:
Sorry wasn't my intention to start a debate. I only meant to try to encourage you to not feel restricted to any one faction when choosing crossover ships.

If you prefer Commonwealth that's great. I'm more eclectic, and find I like something from column A, as well as column B.

Whatever you decide I know I'll be happy with the results.

When I do crossovers, I consider it a priority to capture as much of the spirit of the original crossover as possible. As such, mixing and matching TOG and Commonwealth ships just wouldn't sit right. I haven't made any real decisions yet, though...
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
When I do crossovers, I consider it a priority to capture as much of the spirit of the original crossover as possible. As such, mixing and matching TOG and Commonwealth ships just wouldn't sit right. I haven't made any real decisions yet, though...


I see your point, but aren't the Renegade Legion units a mix match of the TOG ships, vehicles, and equipment they defected with, and Commonwealth replacements to replace combat losses?


Slightly off topic I read somewhere that the Renegade Legion series of games were originally designed for use with the Star Wars license.

Since the license was awarded to West End Games, FASA chose to use the systems with their own setting.
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2017 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ForbinProject wrote:
I see your point, but aren't the Renegade Legion units a mix match of the TOG ships, vehicles, and equipment they defected with, and Commonwealth replacements to replace combat losses?

To some extent, but IIRC, a couple hundred years or so have passed since the Renegade Legions broke with the TOG, so they and the Commonwealth have had sufficient time to develop and produce new designs.

I've already settled on using TOG armored vehicles to flesh out the Imperial Army, while using the Renegade vehicles for the Alliance, so using the ships from Interceptor and Leviathan in similar fashion makes sense. The Renegade ships could be the older Clone Wars-era ships that detected to the Alliance, while the TOG ships are the newer ships of the Corellian Defense Force, some of which end up in Imperial service...


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Slightly off topic I read somewhere that the Renegade Legion series of games were originally designed for use with the Star Wars license.

Since the license was awarded to West End Games, FASA chose to use the systems with their own setting.

That's exactly what happened, which is why crossing over the ship's and vehicles was such an easy choice for me. It won't be a direct crossover, of course; for example, rather than porting over all the RL races, I've applied some of their vehicles to other races. The Bata Revo and Nah'tikal, for example, are SoroSuub products rather than Naram.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's going to be one of those things that kinda slipped through the cracks. Given that at the time that the immortal words were uttered by Han Solo, Star Destroyers were not known as Star Destroyers and I'm fairly sure the implication is that the Imperial Cruisers Han is referring to are in fact what ESB would reveal to us as Star Destroyers. The script and screen direction for New Hope lists the ISD's as Imperial Cruisers which makes the connect seem pretty clear.

Obviously it was only much later that we have the information about KDY producing Imperial Star Destroyers NOT Corellian Shipyards (although I suppose it's feasible that Kuat could own Shipyards at the Corellian System). Also, if we are looking for in universe logic and I could be very wrong here, I thought the classic dreadnought design was one produced by Corellian Shipyards.
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PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

moirdryd wrote:
I think it's going to be one of those things that kinda slipped through the cracks. Given that at the time that the immortal words were uttered by Han Solo, Star Destroyers were not known as Star Destroyers and I'm fairly sure the implication is that the Imperial Cruisers Han is referring to are in fact what ESB would reveal to us as Star Destroyers. The script and screen direction for New Hope lists the ISD's as Imperial Cruisers which makes the connect seem pretty clear.

Obviously it was only much later that we have the information about KDY producing Imperial Star Destroyers NOT Corellian Shipyards (although I suppose it's feasible that Kuat could own Shipyards at the Corellian System). Also, if we are looking for in universe logic and I could be very wrong here, I thought the classic dreadnought design was one produced by Corellian Shipyards.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2017 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, I've been thinking about this for a bit, and had an epiphany. The perfect "Big Corellian Ship" is one that I've already statted: the Dauntless-Class Heavy Cruiser from Star Wars: Rebellion.

Its official background has it as a converted liner from SoroSuub, which upon reflection strikes me as lack of imagination on the part of the game designers; it's basically the same background as the MC80, substituting SoroSuub for Mon Cal. And since SoroSuub already has one new ship in the Rebellion game (the Liberator-Class Star Cruiser), it's a simple matter to just rewrite the background of the Dauntless to make it into "the Big Corellian Ship."
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In fact, there could be two variants; one with heavy turbolasers for ship-to-ship combat, the other with the main batteries removed and replaced by starfighter launch bays. That way, a single ship could cover two slots from the original post: battleships and carriers.
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So, what I'm strongly considering is, since no one in the official SWU has used the Diktat's image for anything, I'm going to stick with that one. For the Valiant, I'm thinking of co-opting the Dauntless-Class Heavy Cruiser from Star Wars: Rebellion.



The Dauntless' official background is that it is a converted SoroSuub passenger liner (sound familiar) that can actually outgun an ISD. The problem for me is that Rebellion already has one SoroSuub Capital Ship - the Liberator-Class Star Cruiser - which looks nothing like the Dauntless. The idea of the Rebel Fleet being a hodge-podge of various ship types contributed by multiple different allied races and governments is pretty core to the Alliance, and since the above image gives no real clue as to scale, it's pretty easy to just throw out the video game's backstory and tack the image and name onto my background for the Valiant.

It's not my prefered solution, but it works...
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