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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 6:57 am    Post subject: Old Republic vs Rise of the Empire and beyond... Reply with quote

I am wonder how significant is the development in technology between the ages.
Looking over some of the ships, I wonder that other being somewhat undergunned, are they technologically inferior, and how much.

Hyperdrives can be swapped out, so can sublight drives.

Seems some of the hull design concepts were good enough to survive the ages...as hammerhead designs etc.

So would a ship like the harrower class destroyer be a threat if it found it self in the rebellion age or clone wars era.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In WEG Star Wars (d6), there's little difference. There's no obsolescence rules, but there are some items that are archaic in design. One example is lightsabers with a power flexcord and either a backpack-style power source, or a large lunchbox-size power source in the belt. They do excellent damage, however. http://d6holocron.com/wiki/index.php?title=Archaic_Lightsaber

There's also the skill Archaic Starship Piloting, which sees occasional use. One example is the Delaya courier, http://d6holocron.com/wiki/index.php?title=Delaya_Courier_Ship . It has a nice Hull rating and a good Space rating even if it was originally used in the Old Republic. Another might be a Sith Interceptor, http://d6holocron.com/wiki/index.php?title=Sith_Interceptor

However, older ships usually have deplorable Hyperdrive multipliers, and are somewhat undergunned - as well as usually having a higher Crew compliment than newer ships. They're good enough that they're occasionally retrofitted rather than being sent right to the breakers, though.

In the Star Wars Saga book Starships of the Galaxy, four templates were included - the junker, archaic, prototype, and advanced ships. These were intended to be slapped on any ship, to represent a particularly bad or good (or old) or fully upgraded version of that class of ship.

For that system, an Archaic ship has only half its normal damage threshold against modern weapons, there's a 50% chance that shields may fail when stressed, weaponry can't score critical hits against nonarchaic vessels, and there's a to-hit penalty for an archaic vessel (to reflect the advances in baffling and so on that makes it difficult to track modern vessels).

In d6, there's various ways one might simulate this. One would be to let the archaic ship simply count as one class smaller when it comes to damage and damage resistance (while keeping to-hit as it is). This would be a fairly significant disadvantage - but wouldn't necessairly make archaic ships useless. You could also just introduce some blanket penalty (like 1D or 2D) to everything to represent old and decrepit systems.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

how old is archaic? 100 Years? 500? 1000? more than one thousand years?
In the old republic some "designs" were kept in service for more than the above, like the hammerhead cruiser, served off and on over 1500 year timespan, naturally modified and the like to fit in the ages.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tech in the Old Republic stories, in the online game and in the comics and novels (even in D6 Star Wars through the Tales of the Jedi sourcebook) isn't that far off from that seen in ANH.

In my estimation, SW tech crawls, because the tech from 10,000 years ago isn't that much different from that shown in ANH.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wajeb Deb Kaadeb wrote:
The tech in the Old Republic stories, in the online game and in the comics and novels (even in D6 Star Wars through the Tales of the Jedi sourcebook) isn't that far off from that seen in ANH.

In my estimation, SW tech crawls, because the tech from 10,000 years ago isn't that much different from that shown in ANH.


I am sort of thinking that some technology reached the limit, and was no longer
researched in the same way, but rather refined or "tuned".

if we look at the lightsaber, as we know it, that is after the proto-saber, we see little or no development, we do see adjustments, customizations, but nothing even remotely like removing a powerbox and cord.

This also makes me wonder why some of star wars tech seems at best very outdated even by earth ww2 standards.

Lets look at starship weapons, why can these in THAT level of technology be automated and fired from a gunwell operated by 1 to X gunners located in the tower, this is common in today's earth warships, with some of the bigger guns being the exception, like the (no longer in service) battleships.

we also see on earth a various degree of technology, were some forces seems almost space age and others seems more ancient.

Like USA vs Iraq....equipment wise this was 2000s vs 1960-70s
We also see this in Star Wars, it is one the unique aspects of the franchise, the "used future" things in the future being old and rusty as compared to trek, wehe it is all factory fresh
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mamatried wrote:
how old is archaic? 100 Years? 500? 1000? more than one thousand years?
In the old republic some "designs" were kept in service for more than the above, like the hammerhead cruiser, served off and on over 1500 year timespan, naturally modified and the like to fit in the ages.


I'd say 500+ years myself.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For reference, HK 47 was fluent in 6,000 forms of communication; C-3PO, four thousand years later, was fluent in 6,000,000. Very Happy

However, I tend to say that things from any point in Republic History are still fairly intelligible to folks later in the timeline, but that the numbers get a bit better. The Ebon Hawk, the fastest ship in the Galaxy in 4000 BBY, is fairly slow by New Republic Standards. How much slower? No idea... and it's not going to be a clear line, and certainly not a single line that encompasses everything.
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