Use of the Force in combat - back then and now

[garhkal]

[Mamatried]

Are we talking about the force or foce philosopies?

jedi are a force philosophy....to them certain acts and even ev\motions are wrong, drak as they call them.

Now with other philosophies the line between what is deemed to be dark and light, or right and wrong if you will is less "black and white" than the jedi.

So while a jedi is the opposite of a sith, that is what they are.........nothing else.
jedi are not the force, they like many other are "of the force".


Now if merely using the force to destroy, this includes inflicting pain, anything that is not creating, ot simply observing then are the jedi really "light" do they only act in a way to allow the force to create? do a jedi not use the force to further damage and to inflict greater damage with lightsabers.

I think is we look at the force rather then the various force philososphies then I think we can argue that the force IS, and that it is both destructive and crative, and thebecuse the force is both, both needs to be recognised, and death even destruction is natural and not in any way evil or dark, it is the creation of the "new" the "to come".

So I will argue that the only way to gain dark side points is to be deliberately dark, commit evil deeds, not murder or mayhem alone, if this is not evil.

In fact in many ways how many of us see mace windu is a good example, or plo koon, both having a strong connection to the force's desrcutive side, though while making choises both conscious and sub conscoius about how to use this power.

With mace this was a controllable battle frenzy, where he channeled the opponent's agression and "hatred" and used this "dark side energy" to fuel his fighting style.

Plo and his force lightning, a differnt color and maybe less strong that that of the dark lord of darths, mr raisn face sheev...
or what about other abilites, like morichro, a power defineately labeled "light side" yet one that can quite easily kill.
now while killing will give tou a darkside point and fair enough, the power can still be used to basically "torture" someone with their altering metabilism and the like, though the spesifics state that darkside points are given when you kill with the power.

I think what is not written is often just as important than what is written.

And this is the essence in the dark/light side thinking, what is written and what is not written, what is not written is still a part of the narrative.

if we look to religions, and this is in essence what the sith and jedi as well as others are, then we see that when it comes to religious "rules" tennants, then it just as important what is NOT written as what is written.

An example can be a ban on eating certain types of foods, let say the faithful can only eat food that is prepared and then blessed with a certain rital, but it state tat this concerns meat.
To the faithful this mean he can eat all the food, including "meat" that his religion or in the case of star wars and light and dark, what his philosophy tells him he can eat and do.

I would argue that while the mere use of certain force powers for a religious jedi will give a darkside point, this is more psychological than anything, I would equally argue other non jedi can use the force in ways the jedi will deep directly dark, and suffer no darkside points from it.....

again it all comes down to life and death, or if we take this further to RPGs we can talk about Necromancy, and where it is ingherently evil or not.....and the arguments are good for both sides.

So to me unless you are a bad guy, you can get away with injuring, killing and the like.
After all in a very combat based RPG, it makes no sense to have a character that can only act in self defense or defense of others, and barely so, if he injures, or kills he then falls to the darkside with the right or "wrong" black/white GM.......that to me makes little sense, jedi are warriors, they kill they maim, they inflict pain and they are good at it, and they should not suffer much DSPsd, or maybe the cap shpuld be above the mere 6.

now with a cap of 12 or maybe even a brand new wya of earning DSPs and removing them, then yes I could agree on a mre black and white thing, but I can ot see an order of legendary warriors that somehow are beyond redemtion once they do some "warrioring"

[TheEvilDM]

[Potroclo]

[garhkal]

[Bren]

[Bren]

[CRMcNeill]

[Bren]

[Bren]

[garhkal]

[Bren]

[garhkal]

Then he still gets dingged. Just like a paladin character in an adnd game, who tells his allies not do do x, cause it would be evil, BUT THEY STILL DO IT anyway.
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[Bren]

Thanks for clarifying. That seems an overly harsh response to me. But then it isn't a problem I've ever seen occur in any Star Wars games I've been in or have run. If it's something you are seeing or have seen in play I can more readily see why you might feel such a response was necessary and appropriate.

[garhkal]

In games i've ran, i've seen it done twice, both by players who DID have their jedi turn to the dark side (they used TK to hold a high melee/brawl parry enemy, then let their comrade wail on them).. Most others just use it to hold someone immobile, till the battle's over, then give them a chance to surrender..
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