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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still think it's silly... and there's a mental difference between trick shooting and combat.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ankhanu wrote:
I still think it's silly... and there's a mental difference between trick shooting and combat.


And which difference would that be?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

other then the difference of amusement and the want to kill your opponent?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Probably more concentration on a single target where as in combat you've got to concentrate on the guy your shooting at while trying not to get hit and having a sense both of where you and your buddies are at and where all enemies are.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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other then the difference of amusement and the want to kill your opponent?
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I'm sorry, but this is not a valid argument. What Ankh calls "Trickshooting" is usually called "combat shooting". People are trained to do this in combat situations in real life and they do it. Yes, there are different approaches to combat, but this is one and it is as valid as many of the others.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i wasent really discussin the possibilty to do i physicaly, but how much energy a blaster can disperse in a few seconds without overheating.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's called "stress".
It's kind of like being in martial arts... there's a major difference between sparring or doing kata and actually ending up in a fight on the street. Your mindset is different and often, your technique/ability decreases as a result of the different chemicals coursing through your bloodstream.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ankhanu wrote:
It's called "stress".
It's kind of like being in martial arts... there's a major difference between sparring or doing kata and actually ending up in a fight on the street. Your mindset is different and often, your technique/ability decreases as a result of the different chemicals coursing through your bloodstream.


Right but this can be and is influenced by training, i.e. ability. Which is exactly the reason why the military and the police train with simulated munitions, i.e. real guns that shoot rubber/paint bullets. This is also the reason why SWAT teams, Special Forces and Protection specialists fire tens of thousands of rounds a year and train under circumstances that are extremely stressfull.

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Well i wasent really discussin the possibilty to do i physicaly, but how much energy a blaster can disperse in a few seconds without overheating.


Like I said before, many weapons already have a Fire Rate included in their stats. Those that don't are not suffering from problems in this department according to canon.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canon, schmanon.

At the same token, you don't see people in the movies popping off more than a couple shots a round (and hitting), unless they're firing an automatic weapon. So having a reasonable cap isn't counter-canon either. If you have huge numbers of dice to roll, it simply means that you can shoot up to the cap and actually still hit where others would miss... which is where skill/ability comes into play. Hell, you could even pull off a couple other actions in the round.

(Freak incidents of the force (re: Darth Bane, where he uses a sniper rifle on about 6 targets in the span of a second or two) not withstanding... as the Force represents supernatural occurrences)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ankhanu wrote:
Canon, schmanon.

At the same token, you don't see people in the movies popping off more than a couple shots a round (and hitting), unless they're firing an automatic weapon. So having a reasonable cap isn't counter-canon either. If you have huge numbers of dice to roll, it simply means that you can shoot up to the cap and actually still hit where others would miss... which is where skill/ability comes into play. Hell, you could even pull off a couple other actions in the round.

(Freak incidents of the force (re: Darth Bane, where he uses a sniper rifle on about 6 targets in the span of a second or two) not withstanding... as the Force represents supernatural occurrences)


Question And your point is....?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think my point is that a reasonable fire rate cap isn't... unreasonable Razz (and supported by canon)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ankhanu wrote:
I think my point is that a reasonable fire rate cap isn't... unreasonable Razz (and supported by canon)
Laughing

Now the question remains: What do you believe to be reasonable?


Just for the record, I like the system as it is, in this regard at least.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

suud43 wrote:
Ankhanu wrote:
I think my point is that a reasonable fire rate cap isn't... unreasonable Razz (and supported by canon)
Laughing

Now the question remains: What do you believe to be reasonable?


Just for the record, I like the system as it is, in this regard at least.


In agreement with Suud on the fire rate.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kinda agree with Eiren's system of 4-6. It would kinda depend on the nature of the weapon though, a repeater might be more, for example. Something with a higher output than other weapons in its class might be lower.

I've only occasionally felt like players within our table top games were pushing the boundaries of Star Wars reality, so we've never really had to institute a rule like this...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

blasters are made for COMBAT, if you have ever played any combat simulated game such as paintball or airsoft or have actually been in combat, you would know that a lot of shooting is VERY rapid fire, not necessarily fully automatic, but shooting FAST and shooting ALOT. blasters are designed for this!!! they have cooling measures installed on the gun, im guessing in an advanced star wars world, they might actually work!
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