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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Although it did make me wonder how Admiral Thrawn managed to join the Empire when the Chiss Ascendancy was smack dab in the far side of the Unknown Regions. I never did bother to read Outbound Project.

Outbound Flight was absolutely horrible. Obi-Wan and Anakin were initially sent on the Outbound Flight in an overtly contrived way to just include film characters in the story, and they had absolutely no purpose in the story before being summoned off the ship by Palpatine before it left the Republic. Jorus C'baoth is a total @sshole from the very start, way before he crossed over to the Dark Side. There is no way in hell he could ever have been a Jedi Knight let alone Master. And Thrawn somehow becomes the tragic hero of the story who saves his people and then gets exiled due to his methods. Thrawn became allies with Darth Sidious in this book, which is set in between Episodes II and III. So it was the events surrounding the doomed Outbound Flight deep into the Unknown Regions that connected Thrawn with the future Emperor.


It strikes me as a measure of Outbound Flight's badness that I misquoted its title as Outbound Project. Was it called "Outbound Project" in-universe? I can't help but think I got "Project" into the name from somewhere.

EDIT: Meriba, hurry up and include Jedha and Scarif into your map! We're waiting on ya! Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2016 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It strikes me as a measure of Outbound Flight's badness that I misquoted its title as Outbound Project. Was it called "Outbound Project" in-universe? I can't help but think I got "Project" into the name from somewhere.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It strikes me as a measure of Outbound Flight's badness that I misquoted its title as Outbound Project. Was it called "Outbound Project" in-universe? I can't help but think I got "Project" into the name from somewhere.

Outbound Flight Project


Well, two out of three isn't bad. Cool
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here you go: The EW Rogue One Galaxy Map

How odd that Eadu is not on that map. The fact that there would be such a planet was revealed somewhere back in September.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2016 1:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Here you go: The EW Rogue One Galaxy Map

How odd that Eadu is not on that map. The fact that there would be such a planet was revealed somewhere back in September.


Another odd thing about that map is that there is no red line path from Geonosis (or wherever the Empire moved the Death Star to after sterilizing Geonosis) to Jedha and from Jedha to Scarif. After all, the Death Star obliterated Jedha City before going to Scarif.

So that's two things wrong with this map.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meriba, just FYI, I found another error on your map. In grid N-11 in the Colonies Region, on the Quellor Run south of Cato Nemoidia and north of Vladet, there are two planets both named Chorax. One of these must be mislabeled, I suspect.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jedha and Scarif are included... and Chorax changed by Hensara.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2016 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meriba wrote:
Jedha and Scarif are included... and Chorax changed by Hensara.

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There's a label for Scarif, but no new planet denoting it. Pii, Austan and Utaruun are all still there, but there's no new dark blue circle for Scarif.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, there is no dot denoting Scarif. I have considered (maybe I am wrong) that Scarif is somewhere between Pii and Austan. The practice to reference two systems with only one dot is common in the map (see Geonosis and Tatooine). In this case it should be Geonosis and Tatoo (Tatooine is not a system), but not everyone knows that. So, It is more easy to indicate Geonosis and Tatooine.

In any case, thank you for the criticisms. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, there is no dot denoting Scarif. I have considered (maybe I am wrong) that Scarif is somewhere between Pii and Austan. The practice to reference two systems with only one dot is common in the map (see Geonosis and Tatooine). In this case it should be Geonosis and Tatoo (Tatooine is not a system), but not everyone knows that. So, It is more easy to indicate Geonosis and Tatooine.

In any case, thank you for the criticisms. Very Happy


True enough, but in the case of Tatooine and Geonosis, they're only a parsec away from each other. Another example might be Rishi and Kamino. Perhaps there are others on the map that I don't know of. But in each case, the two planets are on the same margin line so we know which two planets are in the "same" place.

But Scarif isn't aligned with any of the other planet labels in the Arkanis Sector so the word "Scarif" is just a free floating label that doesn't tell us where Scarif is among its neighboring planets. That's kinda silly for a map because maps are made to tell us where things are. Razz
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, now we have official locations for all of the planets of Rogue One! Lah'mu, the Ring of Kafrene, heck even Wobani where Jyn Erso was held at that prison camp are all there!

Meriba, I know you're busy with the layout for Rebels Season 2, so it's going to be a while before you update your galaxy map, but I just wanted to bring this to your attention for the future. (FYI, it turns out I got Scarif wrong; it's not in the Arkanis Sector at all, but in the Abrion Sector, between Ukio and Molavar and just slightly east of the hyperspace route that connects them. There's plenty of room there for a new planet dot and label.)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, now we have official locations for all of the planets of Rogue One! Lah'mu, the Ring of Kafrene, heck even Wobani where Jyn Erso was held at that prison camp are all there!

That's great. Thanks for sharing this.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ok, now we have official locations for all of the planets of Rogue One! Lah'mu, the Ring of Kafrene, heck even Wobani where Jyn Erso was held at that prison camp are all there!

That's great. Thanks for sharing this.


Indeed, it was really nice to see Jedha's location explained in that article. What I thought was part of the Unknown Regions was actually an extension of the Mid-Rim Freestanding Subsectors, which I thought only jutted slightly into the Galactic West, rather than extending all the way around the West.

Yeah, this ain't your daddy's Legend Galaxy no more, youngin'.

So, as was discussed earlier on this thread, it looks more and more that, in canon anyway, the Unknown Regions only covers the Western Outer Rim. Even so, (and as was also mentioned earlier) that's still plenty of room for the First Order to run around in.

EDIT: and from this article, it plainly becomes more obvious that getting across the galaxy in the movies functions almost exclusively on Traveling At The Speed Of Plot. Look at those locations, most of them are literally on opposite sides of the Galaxy from each other, yet the characters manage to travel to all of them in the space of a few days. Not that I mind; it makes sense when you compare it to the Astrogation Gazetteer in the 2nd Ed, R&E corebook on p.116. So it takes 22+ days to go straight from Tatooine to Coruscant, but only 7 hours to go from Tatooine to Alderaan (another Core World not far from Coruscant), and then only another 18 hours to go from Alderaan to Coruscant? May the Force bless those established hyperspace routes! Yeah, with that sort of arbitrary travel time, the GM can rule that a hyperspace journey will last only as long as he wants it to. Which isn't a bad thing at all, if it helps improve the story....

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"A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins! Nor is he early! He arrives precisely when he means to!"
-Gandalf tries to maintain his stern look, then both he and Frodo burst out laughing

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After just purchasing the Last Jedi Visual Dictionary, I saw that there's an updated map on pages 8-9 that has the locations of the planets in TLJ: Cantonica, D'Qar, Chait and Ahch-to. Ahch-to is in the West, pretty deep in the Unknown Regions (as we saw in BB-8's holographic map in TFA). D'Qar and Chait are relatively close together in the South-Southeast Outer Rim. As for Cantonica, as it was described as a "casino planet" populated by high-class galactic citizens, I expected it to be somewhere in the Core Worlds. As it turns out, Cantonica is located in the Corporate Sector, all the way at the end of the Hydian Way.

I think this is yet again another example of just how fast it's possible to travel from one side of the GFFA to the other. Apparently, the events of TLJ take place in less than a day. I recall a mention somewhere that TLJ takes place over the course of just 18 hours. This means that a plot point in TLJ (that I'm NOT going to spoil here) which involves traveling from Chait to Cantonica and back within the time frame of TLJ (just 18 hours) proves that it's possible to travel from one side of the GFFA to the other and back in less time than it would take to drive across the United States.

Just try and wrap your mind around just how fast you'd have to be traveling to cover a distance of roughly 120,000 light-years in less than a day.

Star Wars.com hasn't yet published a "Where in the galaxy are the worlds of The Last Jedi" yet, but it's still early. I expect (and hope) that such an article gets published sometime in January 2018.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This reminds me of something Piett said in Empire:
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Lord Vader, our ships have completed their scan of the area and found nothing. If the Millennium Falcon went into light-speed, it'll be on the other side of the galaxy by now.


This may have been an exaggeration, but the films also show quick travel to many points throughout, such as Rey and Chewie heading to Ahch-to at the end if The Force Awakens. Of course, this could just be moving the plot along quicker.
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