View previous topic :: View next topic |
Author |
Message |
JohnLydiaParker Ensign
Joined: 13 May 2024 Posts: 35
|
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 9:49 pm Post subject: How many cubic meters for each 'ton' of cargo space? |
|
|
Cut-off part of title - (drawing deckplans)
Currently I'm drawing up a bunch of deckplans for smaller ships, and that leads directly to the question of how many cubic meters to allocate for each ton of cargo capacity. Pretty much a self-explanatory question, but one I rather suspect there's not much agreement. |
|
Back to top |
|
|
CRMcNeill Director of Engineering
Joined: 05 Apr 2010 Posts: 16281 Location: Redding System, California Sector, on the I-5 Hyperspace Route.
|
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 10:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
The rule of thumb is 1m^3 for every 2 metric tons of cargo. This assumes you’re hauling solid cargo, as 1m^3 of water is 1 metric ton. _________________ "No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.
The CRMcNeill Stat/Rule Index
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
pakman Commander
Joined: 20 Jul 2021 Posts: 429
|
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 11:57 am Post subject: |
|
|
TLDR: I use 10 tons per 5' square on a grid.
That is based on averages on shipping and the types of storage one typical mixed use smaller transports (i.e. not huge vessels with large standardized cargo design).
Longer Version:
Like many status, the cargo limits on ships in most games are - a bit high.
Unless hauling stuff that is very dense and/or packed very very tight - cargo takes up a lot of space.
Also- you are correct about one thing - among gamers, there is not much agreement.... however - in shipping - there is.
A moderate weight for one pallet of cargo is about 1000lbs.
A heavy weight would be 2000lbs. But many can be more - A LOT MORE - shipping canned vegetables is more heavy than shipping cereal boxes or furniture (while heavy - furniture is large....). Scrap metal or fusion generators....a lot more.
So this can vary by cargo type /industry (I, like some others on the pit, have worked in logistics and transportation for years - shipping milk, meat and canned goods - that stuff is heavy. Shipping potato chips, toilet paper or apparel - lighter. But star wars is not "shipping simulator" so numbers that are averages - are close enough).
For more interesting reading;
https://woodrebirth.com/what-is-the-average-weight-of-a-pallet-of-freight/#Common_Weight_Ranges_of_Palletized_Freight
Going back to your question - I feel a cubic meter capacity is not as useful - well - because unless you are filling a bulk tank with water, gravel or grain - you never get to use most of an odd shaped cargo hold - especially the kind you see in game with ships that are designed to look cool over be efficient in design.
You could go into a ton of analysis on different cargo types, how they are packed - etc. But honestly - for our game of space wizards where most tramp freighters are carrying boxes or bulky things - I just use 10 tons per square on a map. (5' or 1.5m square). _________________ SW Fan, Gamer, Comic, Corporate nerd.
Working on massive House Rules document - pretty much a new book. Will post soon.... |
|
Back to top |
|
|
JohnLydiaParker Ensign
Joined: 13 May 2024 Posts: 35
|
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 5:56 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I'm convinced most light freighters are undersized (long story), and my current plan for a Baudo (currently sized at 38 meters; most plans greatly overestimate the amount of space forward) I can only summon up 22-28 square meters of floor space, perhaps a fifth or more of it at less then full deck height, and divided into two holds, a bit oddly shaped. (The 'reduced height' runs along the side, extends outward 1.5 m and perhaps 1.5 m high)
(Only 4 1.5 m square "pallets" total, plus two in the reduced height area. Plus 2 more meter square sized pallets in the full height and 4 in the reduced height, and cargo can be traded for up to 4 fully assembled speeder bikes due to exterior doors. Being able to load a small landspeeder or tiny airspeeder on either or both sides instead is within minor customization, and trading off some living space. (This is for a standard" yacht config with 35 tons of cargo; a typical smuggler/freighter conversion can easily add up about an additional 20 1.5m "pallets," or around 130+? cubic meters more by replacing some of the passenger quarters with a common area and turning the two "luxury blisters" to cargo.) (Single deck "flatter" end of the interpretation of its shape.)
Still, it's a yacht, so that might not be too much of a problem. Sound good enough?
Giving the YT-2400 the same upscale the Falcon received, I was able to fit 53 1.5m "pallets", perhaps 120-140 square meters of floor space, and around 300-350 cubic meters, depending on the how high the decks are and where. Would that make it too much of an upscale?
(10 tons per pallet sounds pretty dense...) |
|
Back to top |
|
|
CRMcNeill Director of Engineering
Joined: 05 Apr 2010 Posts: 16281 Location: Redding System, California Sector, on the I-5 Hyperspace Route.
|
Posted: Sun May 19, 2024 10:12 am Post subject: |
|
|
Check the www button at the bottom of my post. It links to my Google Drive, where I have a pretty extensive collection of deckplans, including one for the Baudo. _________________ "No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.
The CRMcNeill Stat/Rule Index
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
ThrorII Lieutenant Commander
Joined: 12 Jul 2019 Posts: 203
|
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 12:30 am Post subject: |
|
|
Tramp Freighters states a stock light freighter can hold 100 tons and has 40 m3 of cargo space.
That yields 2.5 tons per m3. _________________ "The internet is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural." - Sheev Zuckerberg |
|
Back to top |
|
|
CRMcNeill Director of Engineering
Joined: 05 Apr 2010 Posts: 16281 Location: Redding System, California Sector, on the I-5 Hyperspace Route.
|
Posted: Tue May 21, 2024 1:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
ThrorII wrote: | Tramp Freighters states a stock light freighter can hold 100 tons and has 40 m3 of cargo space.
That yields 2.5 tons per m3. |
IIRC, that was in 1E Tramp Freighters. Later books revised it to 2 tons per m^3 (in either Pirates & Privateers or The Far Orbit Project).
Of course, 1E did have a chart that broke down weight/m^3 depending on what sort of cargo you were hauling. _________________ "No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.
The CRMcNeill Stat/Rule Index
|
|
Back to top |
|
|
|