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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raven Redstar wrote:
Whenever I read Urban Stormtrooper, I can't help but think about the Coruscant Guard Troopers.


You mean the guys with the shiny red armor and the x-shaped faceplate? I like those guys, but I think they're more of a urban police force than urban guerillas.

But yeah, I think any sort of Imperial Urban combat specialist is going to need grey camo armor of some type. Storm Commandos got recanonized in Commander with grey armor instead of black, so I can see them in an urban guerilla mode. I'd much rather have a new type of Imperial soldier dedicated to urban combat rather than repurposed Storm Commandos, however. If they look like grey Storm Commandos, that's one thing, but I'd much rather have a new description, new name and new stats rather than just referring to them as "Urban Storm Commandos."
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh man I can see them sticking out like sore thumbs to the more perceptive criminals since they will all be muscular, human, probably handsome, and I imagine very charismatic if they are to have some dice in Perception skills.

I thought you said scouts somewhere, my bad.

So your guy might be the one drinking in the dark corner until he sees a drug deal going down. Then he follows and calls in reinforcements? I'm trying to visualize a sequence with them. Deep cover police are usually down for months or years so that doesn't sound like your guy...he also doesn't sound like a lone stake-out guy who is totally rogue...does he travel in groups or maybe loose cliques? Alone? What are generally his objectives?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So how's about what i posted?? Would that 'suit' your needs?
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
So how's about what i posted??

It's cool. I liked it.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Zarn, Error, and Ninja-Bear, your ideas seem similar to these. No, these specialist stormtroopers' armor is not meant to stand-out and have the psychological factor normal armor does. Death Troopers' black armor is shiny, but the "shadow scouts" black armor is nonreflective, scanner resistant, and sound baffling so they can sneak better on covert ops. Shadow scout missions can only have a few troopers so these are not used like typical tactics using numerical superiority. I can see raids on crime lords as well as military missions in urban environments. I can see them even taking off their helmets and wearing cloaks over their armor and disguises as needed for the ops.

I had no idea that the Empire was actively carrying out agent provocateur missions. Though in retrospect it doesn't surprise me. They went to great lengths to subjugate worlds and gain control of their trade, and if there isn't a current reason to leave a garrison and a tariff, why not create one, right?
Whill, how do your troopers differ in form and function from either the Storm Commandos or Urban Guerillas? They seem to have the "urban warfare" concept on lockdown. I know you are calling yours "scouts" but both the other character types seem to contain that role within them to some extent.

I wasn't calling mine scouts. I was referring to the inspirations (shadow scout is nickname for storm commandos). I see my "street troopers" as storm commandos with an urban guerrilla slant. Elite, sneaky, streetwise guys with non-shiny black armor.


Whill I get what you want anfd I think that its neat. For me I'm not a big fan of spec op forces in a Star Wars games. So I presented a version for my own universe. Smile Thanks for presenting though a neat concept.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, black armor is actually inferior to charcoal-gray or similar colors when it comes to urban camouflage. Black sticks out pretty easily in most kinds of light, even if they are dim lights.

EDIT: (Tangentially related): What were those special troops with red armor that were elaborated on in the Shadows of the Empire project? I thought they were an elite guard or trooper of some kind. I remember Luke donning a suit of the armor to disguise himself on Imperial Center or something, but for the life of me I can't remember what kind of troops they were.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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EDIT: (Tangentially related): What were those special troops with red armor that were elaborated on in the Shadows of the Empire project?...


The Coruscant Guard.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2017 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yeah, black armor is actually inferior to charcoal-gray or similar colors when it comes to urban camouflage. Black sticks out pretty easily in most kinds of light, even if they are dim lights.

(1) OK, charcoal would be a better word than black.
(2) The storm commando armor that's inspiration for street trooper armor is made out of some fictional material that absorbs light without reflecting much, so it's apparent "color" may not be exactly describable in earth terms.

I can see street trooper armor maybe even being able to change tone to match its surroundings, so this is not your grandfather's camouflage. But yes, charcoal is a somewhat vague term that can refer to a range of colors, so I like it. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SO their armor changes color chameleon like? IF anything why wouldn't the Storm commandos have THAT sort of armor??
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
SO their armor changes color chameleon like? IF anything why wouldn't the Storm commandos have THAT sort of armor??


Agreed, a personal chameleon armor a la Predator would be the equivalent of a personal cloaking device, something that doesn't exist in the canon SWU but does exist in Legends. I don't like the idea of cloaking devices in the SWU as they seem like something imported from Star Trek (not that there's anything wrong with that per se, but it's a theme that IMHO doesn't belong in the SWU). Not that Captain Needa couldn't have been wrong when he said in TESB that "no ship that small" and by extension, no person either, has a cloaking device. Needa wouldn't be in the loop about secret projects trying to develop a cloaking device, after all. Even Star Trek has personal cloaking devices (looking at you, Jem'Hadar soldiers!). But overusing cloaking devices (especially personal cloaks) in the SWU cheapens them and I wouldn't want to see them canonized.

But garhkal is right: Storm commandos are a more elite type of stormtrooper (just look at their missions mandate as compared to other stormtroopers) that would need stealth armor more than a frontline urban combat unit.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think he's saying chameleon armor at all. He is just saying that it's a fictional material that absorbs light. It would appear black or nearly black at most times, but sure, changing the properties of the material to change colors is not exactly game-breaking.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I had read the bit about cloaking devices in armor and that's ridiculous for Star Wars. I just means that the armor's inherent quality may appear slightly different shades to better hide in the dark based on lighting at the moment. A very minor quality, not major changing colors or disappearing. And yes, these are elite troopers so the grunts wouldn't even have this stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I were going with an Urban Assault Trooper, I'd lean towards emulating a combination of modern SWAT teams and an Alley Viper.

So, my version would probably have some reasonably hard armor, with more focus towards resisting physical than Stormtrooper armor... probably looking at +2D/+1D stuff, though we might go with +2d/+2, and no dex penalty. They'd have some concussion grenades, to avoid collateral damage. I like the idea of giving them blaster carbines and Alley Viper-like shields as their primary melee weapon.

In keeping with the stormtrooper stats (2D all stats, 7 skill dice), we'll move them around a little bit... 4D Blaster, 3D Melee Parry (with their shield adding another +1D to Melee Parry), 4D Melee Combat, 3D Dodge (their shield adds a +1D cover bonus), and 3D Climbing/Jumping.

Not a fun group to encounter in an alley, by any means, and effective at close-quarters, house-to-house, room-to-room pacification. They're not the guys who find the safehouse... they're the guys who make that safehouse unsafe.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yes, I had read the bit about cloaking devices in armor and that's ridiculous for Star Wars. I just means that the armor's inherent quality may appear slightly different shades to better hide in the dark based on lighting at the moment. A very minor quality, not major changing colors or disappearing. And yes, these are elite troopers so the grunts wouldn't even have this stuff.

So if I understand your OP correctly, you did not remember homebrewing these. What are the odds that you did and the stats exist, but are just buried somewhere in your files? (Or even on paper?)

EDIT: So, this is just a shot in the dark about a hypothetical coating that could be applied to most any extant armor. That saves you the hassle of engineering brand-new armor. It doesn't grant any bonuses until after dark, but they are substantial.

Material: Carbon-matrix layer
Function: Armor camouflage
Cost: Unavailable (estimated value of 1300 per piece of armor)
Effects:
CML absorbs light and appears dark gray or black in daylight. It is a matte finish or coating that naturally changes its shade of gray to best agree with the ambient world (as rendered in grayscale, though it never gets lighter than a medium matte gray). In the dark (e.g. after the sun has gone down), or in areas of medium to low light, individuals at least 50% covered in this material get +1D to both Hide and Sneak; individuals covered between 51-89% get +2D to those skills; and individuals covered in 90% or more get +3D.

The only problems with the coating is that it is easy to chip or rub off, and things such as dust tend to stick to it, so troopers generally carry small armor repair kits containing small pressurized cans of both air (to dust the crevices of the armor) and spray-on CML so that any light-in-color scrapes suffered in the field by the armor could be quickly and effectively repaired. Indeed, with three such kits it would even be possible for a character to cover an entire new suit of armor in CML, though he or she would have none left.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

+3d to sneak AND hide, when storm commando armor only gives +1d?? Way over the top there. AT most i could see it giving an equal +1d as storm commando armor.. BUT no where can i see it granting MORE..
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