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garhkal
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No just me guestimating..
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe the blast radius could be a factor of the ship's hull code (i.e. the bigger and more durable it is, the bigger the mess when it actually does blow up)
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garhkal
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| Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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Or the consumables (which does include fuel, more warheads etc..
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Fallon Kell
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: |
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Or if the hyperdrive goes critical, use the hyperspeed and the length?
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:04 pm Post subject: |
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We don't want to make it too complicated. Consumables might play a factor, but I think using Hull dice as the base variable would probably be the simplest path.
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Fallon Kell
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I see where you're coming from, but back when I was a player I would have said "Durasteel doesn't explode! A ship's hull should dampen the explosion, because It's between the blast and me!" Just trying to save you from a similar fate. 
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Dustflier
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Ship explosions based on the hull code sounds good to me, but I don't think we could make the appropriate calculations to determine if a hyperdrive goes critical, Kell. Apparently, the energies associated with hyperspace accidents are enough to fracture a planet to its core and douse the atmosphere with enough radiation to devastate it and make it inhabitable (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Destruction_of_Pammant).
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Fallon Kell
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Dustflier wrote: | Ship explosions based on the hull code sounds good to me, but I don't think we could make the appropriate calculations to determine if a hyperdrive goes critical, Kell. Apparently, the energies associated with hyperspace accidents are enough to fracture a planet to its core and douse the atmosphere with enough radiation to devastate it and make it inhabitable (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Destruction_of_Pammant).
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Scale it up one? 5D Death Star Scale for an average Capital ship? Anyway, I don't accept the idea that hyperspace accidents are that powerful, because no one shoots hyperspace message pods at planets for orbital bombardment. "It'd take a thousand ships with more firepower than... Oh wait, I know what happened to Alderaan. Someone crashed a Star Destroyer."
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think you should consider the ships shielding and armament. Lots of powerful weapons and shielding requires powerful reactors...
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| Posted: Thu Mar 17, 2011 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hence why i was linking to consumables for all that fuel.
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I suppose you could just have it be +1 for every 10 days of consumables it has so a ship with consumables for 100 days does explodes and it would be rolling 3D+1 as it detonates.
Unfortunately though you'd have to consider how long a ship's tour has been and at what level it's consumables would be at when it is destroyed.
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| Fallon Kell wrote: | | Bren, Ignoring the fact that I have no intention to see any more than the approximately 30 seconds of the Clone Wars series, where would that fit in? |
Depends on the aspect ratio that it was shot for. At a guess, probably in between Star Trek TV and Star Wars Movies. 
Though I made the point in jest, there is a bit of truth in it. Using movies and telly to determine weapon ranges, ship speeds, tactics, and so on is inherently flawed because the director needs to get a certain number of ships in a shot based on dramatic reasons. Thus ships may be shown moving or fighting at very close ranges, not because that is sci-fi reasonable, but because both (or all) vessels need to be in the shot. |
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| Bren wrote: | | Though I made the point in jest, there is a bit of truth in it. Using movies and telly to determine weapon ranges, ship speeds, tactics, and so on is inherently flawed because the director needs to get a certain number of ships in a shot based on dramatic reasons. Thus ships may be shown moving or fighting at very close ranges, not because that is sci-fi reasonable, but because both (or all) vessels need to be in the shot. |
Exactly. Although I am all for accuracy and realism in SW games, the simple fact of the matter is that assigning a set number to a space unit ends up negating the Star Wars "feel". If a space unit is a set length, then starfighters can dogfight at ridiculously close ranges (for space combat), but capital ships are hampered by range limitations. In the end, it will always be simpler to just leave space units as an abstract variable. How long are they really? As long as the plot needs them to be.
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Along those lines, perhaps it would be better for the GM to decide the size of the explosion of a particular ship on a case by case basis. Would it be an interesting twist in the plot? If yes, it should be just big enough to escape with minimal or no damage. If no, make it smaller and avoid the situation.
Honestly, not only should such explosions depend on the size of the ship, but the size of the reactor, munitions, direction and speed of travel, shape of the hull, materials from which the hull is made, and the manner in which the ship's explosion originates. Just as it would be a lot of math to figure out the size of a devastating internal explosion that destroys an ICBM submarine or modern aircraft carrier (particularly nuclear powered ones), it would be a lot of math to predict ship explosions in the Star Wars universe that remain consistently accurate in every case.
I support a less realistic and more simple approach, using powers of GM discretion and the ancient RPG martial art of plot-fu.
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garhkal
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| Posted: Fri Mar 18, 2011 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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So hows about we do this..
Each ship has 3 values.
1st is damage B/radius
2nd is range b/radius
3rd is diff to dodge.
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