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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say I'm ambivalent about the article. On the one hand, it provided some interesting insight that will certainly help me to appreciate the films more. On the other hand, I couldn't help but feel that the author was really saying, "George Lucas is a super-genius; you're all just too stupid to understand his greatness." Regardless, I wish George could've concentrated a little less on his ring cycle and more on better dialogue...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:

Respectfully, that's simply incorrect. I have never sought out "validating" criticisms of the EU. I am fairly well-versed with the EU (at least certain corners of it), I have amassed plenty of experience dealing with it, and I feel confident in forming my own criticisms.


You know, I seem to have missed a key phrase- namely 'and seeking out more.' I thought you were expressing confusion at people who like the franchise overall, but dislike a portion of it; that's where I was trying to draw the comparison. But, if the focus of that statement was more on the 'seeking out other criticisms' portion, then comparison withdrawn. (And, as always, though I seem to have a talent for causing it, no offense intended.)

The prequels just seem to be a minefield with us. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zarm R'keeg wrote:
Whill wrote:

Respectfully, that's simply incorrect. I have never sought out "validating" criticisms of the EU. I am fairly well-versed with the EU (at least certain corners of it), I have amassed plenty of experience dealing with it, and I feel confident in forming my own criticisms.


You know, I seem to have missed a key phrase- namely 'and seeking out more.' I thought you were expressing confusion at people who like the franchise overall, but dislike a portion of it; that's where I was trying to draw the comparison. But, if the focus of that statement was more on the 'seeking out other criticisms' portion, then comparison withdrawn. (And, as always, though I seem to have a talent for causing it, no offense intended.)

The prequels just seem to be a minefield with us. Smile


Amen, brother!

And I agree with the earlier comment (Crm, I think) that the dialogue needed some real work.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Star Wars Ring Theory Reply with quote

crmcneill wrote:
On the one hand, it provided some interesting insight that will certainly help me to appreciate the films more. On the other hand, I couldn't help but feel that the author was really saying, "George Lucas is a super-genius; you're all just too stupid to understand his greatness."

I'm not getting the 'Bow down to Lucas the messiah' vibe that people are reacting too.

I think I may have poisoned some of you to the virtues of this thesis when I posted "George Lucas is an utter cinematic genius, and his six-part Star Wars film saga is a literary masterpiece (even despite its shortcomings)" in the OP. It seems that those of you who don't think Lucas is a "utter cinematic genius" or that the entire 6-film saga is a "masterpiece" immediately went on the defensive. My bad. I blew it. I shouldn't have built it up so much, and now some of you are turned away from it.

I do not feel talked down too by this thesis at all, and I am sorry if my biased presentation contributed to that impression.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barrataria wrote:
I noticed, and enjoyed, many of the little visuals that harked back to some other scene earlier in the trilogy. I've listened to the commentaries for all the films (I think) and read the Secret History ...

Barrataria, I had never heard of The Secret History of Star Wars: The Art of Storytelling and the Making of a Modern Epic (2008) by Michael Kaminski until reading your references to it. I read some reviews of it on Amazon, then ordered it. When it came this week, I had a total nerdgasm. This book is so awesome! I've read all the Appendices and few other things, but I'll have to put reading the rest of it on hold. I had just finished reading the 3 Rinzler mega classic trilogy Making Of books, so I really need to get back to my Star Wars fiction reading list for this year. I'll hopefully get back to The Secret History of Star Wars next year.

Anyway, thanks for mentioning this book!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Star Wars Ring Theory Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
I do not feel talked down too by this thesis at all, and I am sorry if my biased presentation contributed to that impression.

Don't worry, Whill. It's not you. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Star Wars Ring Theory Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
My bad. I blew it. I shouldn't have built it up so much, and now some of you are turned away from it.


For what it's worth, I don't feel that way. You talk up what you're excited about; that's natural. I jumped in on some of the discussion that developed, but I've only grown more excited to read the article through all of this (just haven't had time yet). So I don't think you blew it at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Anyway, thanks for mentioning this book!


Prego! It was one of those I pretty much plowed right through, although I did do a fair bit of skipping during the long passages of "in the fourth draft of the script... blah blah blah".

The nitty gritty of script revises is not at all what interested me in the book, but I bet you'll really appreciate them.
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