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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sadly, though, if this is the canon map for Star Trek, the place where the Federation, Klingon Empire and Romulan Empire all meet isn't quite triangle shaped anymore....
Where is the colorful map from?


I'm not 100% sure that there actually is a canon map of the Star Trek galaxy. I've seen so many different versions, but none that had any indicator (like a Paramount logo or something) of authenticity and/or canonicity. Numerous books containing maps of the Star Trek galaxy have been published, but considering that several of those books were published at least as early as the 1980s, they may be completely obsolete by now.

The most current map is likely in the corebook of the latest Star Trek RPG, namely Star Trek Adventures. The map I linked to is older than the one in ST:A (from what I can tell of the screenshots of the map in the ST:A book) but they look nearly identical. Unfortunately, I don't know where the original map came from, though there are numerous links to it (Reddit and such) on the internet.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for clarifying. Star Trek galaxy maps is something almost completely outside my knowledge base.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I must confess, I can't read the title of this topic without thinking about this.


This is hilarious! Not sure how I missed hearing the whole thing before. Thanks for sharing, CRM.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 06, 2019 8:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This is hilarious! Not sure how I missed hearing the whole thing before. Thanks for sharing, CRM.

Glad to be of service. There's also this.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:27 pm    Post subject: 24th century Trek Reply with quote

So I watched Deep Space Nine through the penultimate episode of Season 4, and Voyager through the penultimate episode of Season 2. I stopped at these points because, from what I gather, the season finales set-up the next seasons and I didn't want to forget what happened in those when I get back to those shows.

I like to watch these concurrent shows in chronological order and re-watch the TNG films where they take place, but I have found that it is almost impossible to do so. Production order, airdates, and stardates are all unreliable at points. Fan chronologies vary greatly. I've flipped back and forth between different chronologies and spent too much time in making my own for stretches of these series. DS9 s5 and VOR s3 is the year that First Contact takes place, and after consulting many chronologies I have found that this film is placed in drastically varying points of these seasons. And yes I know it is a time-travel story that mostly takes place in the 21st century, but the beginning of the film has to take place at some specific point with respect to DS9 and VOY. Placement shouldn't be so vague since Worf leaves DS9 to join the FC story, but it still isn't clear.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:28 pm    Post subject: Discovery Reply with quote

The reason I stopped my 24th century viewing was to re-subscribe to CBS All Access for one month to watch Discovery season 2. It was awesome! Season 3 is in production so I still can't judge the series as a whole, but the first two seasons probably are my favorite two single seasons of any Trek series. DIS Season 1 had two related story arcs, but Season 2 was one big story arc, only previous done in Trek with Enterprise season 3. DIS continues to break franchise standards to go above and beyond any Trek before it. The central series protagonist (Burnham) is not captain or even first officer. She is one of the ship's science officers. Characters go through major changes and even die (not just "red shirts"). DIS has intense drama and action in most episodes, with near-movie quality production. The final episode has an EPIC space battle.

DIS s2 is set three years after the first Trek pilot, "The Cage". DIS s2 establishes that during the Federation-Klingon War of s1, Captain Pike's Enterprise was not recalled from its deep space exploration mission to preserve the best of Starfleet in case the war had gone a worse direction for the Federation. After DIS s1, the Discovery was without a captain. The Enterprise suffered some catastrophic system failures, and while it is being refitted, Captain Pike is temporarily transferred to command the Discovery for the new mission of the season, to investigate a mysterious galactic phenomena. Spock, who had taken a personal leave related to the phenomena before the start of the season, becomes instrumental to the plot. The actors for Pike and Spock nailed their roles. Prime Pike's character is nicely fleshed-out while totally embracing his canon bookends of "The Cage" and "The Menagerie". Spock's childhood and character in this time period are deepened with new characterization that totally supports his later character seen in TOS and the films. There is even a little inspiration from from a TAS episode on Spock and Burnham's childhood. Prime Pike's character is nicely fleshed-out while totally embracing his canon bookends of "The Cage" and "The Menagerie". Sarek returns this season and Amanda becomes an important character as we delve into the family background and dynamics of Burnham's foster family. DIS s2 has Spock return to the forbidden planet of Talos IV (with Burnham) and a Talosian projection of Vina briefly interacts with Pike up in the Discovery. The Enterprise comes back into the story near the end of the season, and it was neat to see Number One as a character, developed since the events of "The Cage". Section 31 is instrumental to the DIS s2 story. Spock and Sarek do not interact with each other to maintain continuity with the TOS. And the existence of Sybock is thankfully still completely ignored like the rest of the franchise since TFF.

The end of DIS s1 already addressed why the existence of the Mirror Universe was not general Starfleet knowledge in the TOS (Pike and Spock never even learned about it in DIS S2). DIS s2 addresses virtually all of the remaining complaints that impatient detractors had about the show seemingly violating Prime Universe canon. It makes perfect sense that Amanda would insist that she and Sarek adopt Burnham when she is orphaned as a child, and how she would temporarily become an older foster sister to Spock. It is explained why the details of the Klingon War from s1 were covered up. There are very good reasons why the Discovery, the spore drive and mycelial network, and especially the character of Burnham would never be mentioned in the franchise again. It is even specifically addressed why the later Enterprise does not have the holographic communication shown in Discovery. (And all this was done without time travel undoing the events of the series.).

With DIS s1, I had the attitude of not caring how the show may contradict the rest of the franchise and just enjoying it for its own sake. If need be, it could just be another universe in the Trek multiverse. But after s2, the show remains an undeniable "reimaging" but continuity-wise it fits into Prime canon at least as well as anything else. If franchise continuity is your concern with Star Trek: Discovery, then I highly recommend you let go of that inner nag and let yourself enjoy the series. The series is completely viewable with a CBS All Access subscription and only 29 episodes so far, so you can watch the entire series and only have to pay for a month or two. It is $10 a month without commercials, and less with them. Give it a chance! It's great!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been pushing through TNG and most of the way through season 7. This seems to have most of the episodes I remember from a long time ago. The one I had forgotten was the season six episode about the Exocomps... tool-like robots who developed sentience and self-preservation.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just got S1 of Discovery on Bluray and just finished watching all the S1 episodes. I have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait for S2 to come out on Bluray so I can get caught up.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sutehp wrote:
I just got S1 of Discovery on Bluray and just finished watching all the S1 episodes. I have to say that I thoroughly enjoyed it and can't wait for S2 to come out on Bluray so I can get caught up.


I went through it, too. Checked it out from the library and beelined it through my 3 weeks.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 2:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Star Trek Discovery season 2 comes out on Blu-ray and DVD on November 12th.

And I forgot to mention that the 8th episode of Season 2 ("If Memory Serves") doesn't open with the usual recap. It instead opens with actual footage from "The Cage" that is revealed to be Pike having a flashback. They scored it with music from TOS. It's a nice touch.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Star Trek Discovery season 2 comes out on Blu-ray and DVD on November 12th.

And I forgot to mention that the 8th episode of Season 2 ("If Memory Serves") doesn't open with the usual recap. It instead opens with actual footage from "The Cage" that is revealed to be Pike having a flashback. They scored it with music from TOS. It's a nice touch.


Nov 12? Good, that's less than 2 months away.

Yeah, one nice thing about ST: Discovery is the occasional nods the show gives to the TOS since it is supposed to be occurring just a few years before the TOS in the Prime timeline.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2019 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Star Trek Discovery season 2 comes out on Blu-ray and DVD on November 12th.

And I forgot to mention that the 8th episode of Season 2 ("If Memory Serves") doesn't open with the usual recap. It instead opens with actual footage from "The Cage" that is revealed to be Pike having a flashback. They scored it with music from TOS. It's a nice touch.


Nov 12? Good, that's less than 2 months away.

Yeah, one nice thing about ST: Discovery is the occasional nods the show gives to the TOS since it is supposed to be occurring just a few years before the TOS in the Prime timeline.

Yeah, DIS is only a decade earlier than the TOS takes place.
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