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Star Wars IX: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheshire wrote:
Even if you are alone in it (which I'm sure you are not), enjoy what you enjoy. Don't let any part of a fandom tell you what you can and can't like.


Sagely advice; I intend to! I wish I could make it to the theater to help support them at the box office.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 11:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the record, I'm pretty thoroughly burnt out on Star Wars in its current state. My love will always be for the classic trilogy and the world that was built up around it. I will most likely go see TRoS in the theaters for both the sake of tradition (the only feature-length Star Wars film I haven't seen in theaters was Clone Wars) and because I want to give my most favorite fandom a sporting chance. I am, however, no longer optimistic about new Star Wars films. Let's see how Mandalorian does.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Star Wars Is Struggling to Win Over the Next Generation of Kids

Maybe here's the problem. Too much focus on kids...
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Darklighter79 wrote:
Star Wars Is Struggling to Win Over the Next Generation of Kids

Maybe here's the problem. Too much focus on kids...


Except when they don't focus on the needs of kids. It's weird. It's like the whole franchise lost its identity and doesn't know what to do. And it seems to me like everyone in charge is just chasing short term goals (bonuses, praise, reputation) and not stepping back to look at the big picture. Like the toys aren't that great for kids now, they lack play value despite ever more detail and points of articulation, which is what the adult collectors prize. And the toys are expensive, compared to what inflation would carry the 1985 Kenner prices to today. So that's gonna price kids out, when toy prices on average have fallen sharply against inflation. To me the 3.75 inch line has been a total disaster for a very long time. When I talk to actual kids, as far as they're concerned Lego Star Wars seems to be the "real" SW toyline.

Back in the day Star Wars wasn't just part of the Hollywood machine. But now, instead of breaking new SFX ground while artistically synthesizing the best of the past, new films are simply part of the current trends in Hollywood. Convoluted parkour chase scenes? Check. Someone melodramatically doubting themselves then finding their inner courage? Check. It just sorta feels like the movies are being written by algorithms.

The same things that ruined The Hobbit movies for me, basically, are cropping up in the Star Wars films now.

I don't know what the way out is. These types of companies (Hasbro, Disney) are almost unwilling puppets to short term thinking. Even if you institute a long term planning and strategizing board, the reality is the people on that board are thinking about their own relatively short term machinations, goals, and projects. The indie art house BS that made A New Hope a work of artistic genius doesn't really stand a chance in that environment. Kenner was a comparatively small toy company, and West End a relatively small gaming company, that had to produce a great product or die trying. I suspect the insulation that comes from sheer size has led to complacency across the board. What does someone like JJ Abrams have to lose if the movie is bad? He'll still be richer than Croesus. As far as reputation he can rely on the ongoing artistic praise for Lost till he dies. George Lucas in 1976 was in a very different boat.

They do appear to be learning but I don't know if they can learn fast enough to overcome egos and get things on track. Taking the biggest characters of 20th century American cinema and basically throwing them in the trash can for no reason is gonna be hard to overcome. People of ALL ages have been waiting for a new movie about Luke & Leia, so relegating them to the shadows should have been a predictable strategy for failure.
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