Lightsaber Scale?

[shootingwomprats]

I know this has been discussed many times before and to be honest I didn't pay attention. But now I am wondering about scale and lightsabers. We see numerous times throughout the movies and the novels of the character scale lightsaber cutting through blast doors, walls and hulls of capital ships, speeder scale vehicles, and more recently in RoSk we see starfighter scale.

This also brings up examples of character scale blasters damaging speeder, walker and starfighter scale vehicles.

So, how do you guys handle this? I don't think its just, "lightsabers have no scale" and more than just spending a Force Point or spectacular success on a skill roll.

Perhaps a Game Note stating something like "lightsabers ignore operate as though speeder scale but receives no damage modifier."
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[Scots Dragon]

The addition of control dice to the lightsabre damage probably accounts for it.

The TIE Fighter has a +6D due to its starfighter scale.

If Rey has a Control 6D or something, with way more than that being entirely in keeping with the skill levels she shows in the films, that'd even out, with the lightsabre's base damage already being pretty high (5D).

[garhkal]

[shootingwomprats]

So lets see then, TIE fighter, special Krylo Ren version, probably has more than 2D and shields. But he is arrogant so not using the shields. So lets say the Hull is 3D+1.

3D+1 + 6D scale = 9D+1 average 32

She is able to cut through it with little problem, so enough damage to crash the ship. So we are talking about Severely Damaged and a result of Structural Damage, Heavily Damaged with a result of Ship loses -2 from its maneuverability causing Krylo to lose control of the ship and crash (pretty unlikely), or Controls Ionized the cannot he controlled for a round and crashes (this actually could work).

In each of these examples average damage required is:

1. 14 + 32 = 46 requiring 5D + 8D control = 46
2. 11 + 32 = 43 requiring 5D + 7D+1 control = 43
3. 3 + 32 = 35 requiring 5D + 5D control = 35

So yeah, I guess that makes sense. Especially as Rey probably has Force skills in the 12-14D range. Maybe even lower.

RISE OF SKYWALKER SPOILER .... LOOK AWAY ... LOOK AWAY


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Palpy kinda tossed her and Krylo around like rag dolls and she required the help of all the Force ghosts before her to help her win.

Let's see who all was in there?


Obi-Wan Kenobi
Anakin Skywalker
Ahsoka tano
Kanan Jarrus
Luminara Unduli
Qui-Gon Jinn
Aayla Secura
Mace Windu
Adi Gallia
Yoda
Luke Skywalker

Obi-Wan Kenonbi: "These are your final steps, Rey. Rise, and take them."
Anakin Skywalker: "Rey."
Ahsoka Tano: "Rey."
Kanan Jarrus: "Rey."
Anakin: "Bring back the balance, Rey, as I did."
Luminara Unduli: "The light. Find the light, Rey."
Qui-Gon Jinn: "Every Jedi who ever lived, lives in you."
Anakin: "The Force surrounds you, Rey."
Aayla Secura: "Let it guide you."
Mace Windu: "Feel the Force flowing through you, Rey."
Anakin: "Let it lift you."
Adi Galia: "Rise, Rey."
Qui-Gon: "We stand behind you, Rey."
Obi-Wan: "Rey."
Yoda: "Rise in the Force, Rey."
Kanan: "In the heart of a Jedi lies their strength."
Obi-Wan: "Rise."
Qui-Gon: "Rise."
Luke Skywalker: "Rey, the Force will be with you. Always."

Which brings up another question. If the ability to transition to a Force ghost was taught to Qui-Gon by the Wills then taught Obi-Wan and Yoda, how the hell did these other Jedi learn how to do it? Or are they just able to speak through the Force as its a key point in the development of the Force in the universe? If so, why them specifically? GAH, I hate this movie so much.
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[MrNexx]

[Whill]

[Darklighter79]

[Mamatried]

What would be Luke's Force and Lightsaber skill during the battle of Endor?

As I have seen in every write up on the character he is well below 10D in any forcce skill and in lightaber.

He still has a moderate diffuclty to even use this 8even Han could use one, and later we see fin and other non force sensitives use lightabers plenty of times)

On the forest moon of endor he seems to instantly react to a "passing" speeder bike and not only give structural damage, it cuts in two pieces in one quick strike.

Now if we were to add speeder scale here and apply this to the lightaber damage, what then?

He would have more difficulties outright cutting the speeder in half, would he not.

So I think that lightsabers should do the same daamage regardless of size

If we look to a star destoyer, we cut our way in through a door/plate. We have seen this in movies.

Would this door/plate have the ship's size or would this simply be a plate of metal regardless?

I am for saying that size has close to zero effect on a lightsaber's ability to cut

[Dredwulf60]

[CRMcNeill]

I'm a bit late on this, but w/r/t to the original question, my Scale System and the RoE Accuracy Damage Bonus rules cover this nicely. Per that combination of rules, a Starfighter is +6D to resist damage, but the character with the lightsaber will be +6D to hit it. Using the 3/1 variant of the RoE Rules, that works out to a +7 average bonus to the Damage roll just off the Scale Modifier, and that's before you factor in the Control dice.

Something I've thought about doing with lightsabers in the past is along the lines of the D6 Space Strength Damage concept, but using Dex instead. Specifically, the Lightsaber would inflict 1/2 Dexterity + 5D. So, take the character's Dex, convert to pips, divide by 2 (rounding down), convert back to dice, then add the resulting dice value to 5D to get the Lightsaber's damage.
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[Mamatried]

I had a thought regarding a person vs somethingas massive as even a light freighter.

as we have seen with speeder k\bikes and to some extent fighters which are by their design more vulnerable than mostlarger size ships.

so I was thinking a jedi on the outside of a star destroyer, he deals normal 5D (+ force)damage but to this plate, it would be easy to summize hardness and make the plate speeder ot srafighter scale.

the jedi now "destroys" the integrity of the plate, he cuts through it and is inside the ship facing human scale opponents.

I can see how a jedimay use a lightsaber to destroy speeders and even most fighters, but nothing larger, to me thiswill be only cutting into the craft.

naturally a light friehter may have some system that is covered by a plate, this can be cut through and the ship "disabled" or more.

but again this would to me be the plate vs lightsabe not the whole ship.

I can shoot through a 20mm armor plate with a .50 when it is the side of a tracked vehicle, but the plate magically becomes any stronger if the same 20mm plate was on a ship ten times the size of the vehicle?

Most ships have thicker armor hense why they take less damage from weapons that deal normal damage.

so I would say that a stardestroyer armor would be in the 10D range, vs the 5D +(force) by the jedi, however thiswould not be the entire destryoyer as if it had a hit point system it would have thousands.


so anywhere on the hull the jedi tries to cu through he must succeed vd a STR 10D for the armor. or even 15D or more, what would be the same if this was a slab of armor th same thickness standing upright on a surface?

but I am thinking the relevant armor (STR for ISD armor) where the attack happens, and only there.

now you cut through the side, but you don't destroy the ship no matter how much damage you inflict,

[Dredwulf60]

[Mamatried]

My point is that when you scale things up to a man stabbing the titanic, you have to consider why, is it to destroy it or to get inside and then destroy it after doing the things he needs to iside.

if we where to compare, this would be like stabbing, yes, you KILL th person becuse he is organic, but you not destroy the body, it gets a "hole" from the knife.

So I am all for scale when they are realistic, and for using minor scale for even huge shios if the ourpose is not to destroy.

so he cuts through the speeder size armor plate on the ISD, he only use speeder size.

once he is in direct combat with or has to destroy the destroyer from the outside with his "stick" then yes this is hard and should be, if not impossible, had it been even something toconsider we would see people in suits swarming ships with lightsabers.

so it is to cut in and thus the size of the plate not the entire vessel.

[Dredwulf60]

[Kytross]

In regards to deflecting blaster bolts, my house rule is that you can deflect blaster damage up to the amount of dice your lightsaber has in damage. The Jedi/Sith takes any additional damage.

The average lightsaber has 5D damage. The average blaster pistol does 4D damage. The rule doesn't come up much. Even with a Thunderer (6D+2) the Jedi would only have to soak 1D+2 damage. Frankly, the rule doesn't come up much.

If the player wants to try and reflect a blaster from a speeder or a walker or some other higher scale, (After watching too many episodes of Rebels) I do allow them to add their control dice to their lightsaber's damage to reflect the higher scale damage. You have to have lightsaber combat up to deflect blaster bolts to begin with, so they'll already be adding control to their damage.

I hope I explained that adequately.

Good luck!