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Telekinetic Kill - who really needs it?
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Which of the following is the primary reason the WEG designers listed Telekinetic Kill as a separate power instead of using the existing rules for the Telekinesis power (expanding as needed to cover) squeezing someone’s throat?
A. Telekinetic Kill is listed because Vader force choking someone was the first clear manifestation of the Force?
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B. Telekinetic Kill is listed just to make it easier for players to tell that they shouldn't do that because it's on the powers of evil' list? [BTW, those are air quotes, in case that wasn't obvious.]
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C. Telekinetic Kill is listed simply to add one more Force Power for Alter?
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D. None of the above (Please explain.)
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see that there is any need for a dedicated power for "telekinetic kill," but I do view Force Lighting as an inherently Dark-Side-powered, so you could only learn it from a Sith Lord and must be on the Dark Side to use it. I remember one conversation years ago where someone tried to suggest that it shouldn't be Dark-only because you could use it for benign purposes, like "jump starting" your car with a dead battery, LOL. But seriously, that would just be making a mockery of Luke's suffering (and Palpatine's evil gloating).
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja-Bear wrote:
garhkal wrote:
Ninja-Bear wrote:
I always hated that TK is an auto DSP. You kill someone with a Lightsaber and that’s ok but if you just use TK offensively then it’s a DSP.


It's the difference between me poisoning you, vice just punching you.. One's outright evil (using the force), one's using a tool..


And punching isn’t evil? If I put you in a choke hold control you is that evil? If I use a TK kill to save your life is that evil? I feel the ONLY reason it’s a DSP is that we see Vader use it first. Iirc though Luke does use it in the begging of RotJ getting into Jabba’s palace.


IF punching is evil, then ANY Form of fighting, where oppoents get injured is evil..
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been thinking about this power and how it has been used in canon mostly.

I don't actually think it is a dark side power at all, and mere use should NOT warrant a darkside point.

If we look to Vader using this power, we see it taking time, it is a slow strangulation, nothing nice at all.

Now if we compare when Luke goes to see Jabba, and he uses this on the gammorean guards, we see them basically just get "stunned" yes choking but "only" stunned, becuse he uses it the jedi way if you will, to disbale in the moment.

I was thinking maybe making a rules addendum reflecting these aspects better. becuse if we do see how this power is used, we tend to see star wars for black cyborgs only.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are certain things you wouldn't want to do with your bare hands that you would willingly do with a utensil or tool. To separate yourself from contamination.

I think the force is something similar. As a Jedi, you want to keep the force pure and clean, to insulate yourself from it to avoid your own contamination.

A guy who pushes a button that launches a surface-to-air missile to shoot down an incoming enemy plane vs a guy who disembowels someone with a dull knife.

In both cases another human being is likely going to die. Which one would potentially stain the person's spirit more?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
I don't see that there is any need for a dedicated power for "telekinetic kill," but I do view Force Lighting as an inherently Dark-Side-powered, so you could only learn it from a Sith Lord and must be on the Dark Side to use it. I remember one conversation years ago where someone tried to suggest that it shouldn't be Dark-only because you could use it for benign purposes, like "jump starting" your car with a dead battery, LOL. But seriously, that would just be making a mockery of Luke's suffering (and Palpatine's evil gloating).


I'm on board with Force Lightning being dark side aligned because the description is specifically "You take your hate and anger and turn it into lightning".... it's not just "I make lightning", it's "I fry you with weaponized dark emotions".

OTOH, I could see a non-lightning Alter power that did jumpstart your car or something... it just would be more limited, either in power or in scope. (Like This One, which requires the correct natural conditions for lightning; you're not making lightning, you're encouraging natural lightning to happen)
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