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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 3:00 am    Post subject: Star Wars D6 Damage Reply with quote



The web pages below update and expand some of the game rules in The Star Wars Roleplaying Game: Second Edition, Revised and Expanded published by West End Games (hereinafter R&E), which is required to use the rules on these pages.


General

. . • Cover and Protection
. . • Object Damage
. . • Repairs and Damage Control
. . • Non-Vehicular Weapon Damage and Repair
. . • Armor and Powersuits, Damage and Repair

Characters and Creatures

. . • Damage
. . . . . o Strength Damage
. . . . . o Brawling Damage Options
. . . . . o Damage Resistance
. . • Character/Creature Damage/Injuries
. . • Character/Creature Healing and Medicine
. . • Droid/Shard-Droid Symbiont Damage
. . • Droid/Shard-Droid Symbiont Repair

Spaceships and other Vehicles

. . • Collision Damage, Passenger Damage, and Falling Damage
. . • Vehicle Damage
. . . . . o Crash-Landing
. . • Vehicle Repair
. . • Shields and Tractor Beams
. . • Spaceship Damage
. . • Spaceship Repair
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting. All the thread necros and questions from the last month or so suddenly add up.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:42 am    Post subject: Star Wars D6 Damage Reply with quote

Yep. This is what I've been working on for a while since I had a lot of time off work. You were a lot of the inspiration for this. Instead of posting forum posts or making a PDF, I made three web pages for my comprehensive damage overhaul with tweaks with new mechanics. The website will be easier and less confusing to update if needed. This system includes damage and repairs, wounds and healing. One key thing to note is that R&E only gave us damage accumulation rules for characters, vehicles, and spaceships. Not even droids! Here are some select commentaries...

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Die Roll Difference Ranges
0-3
4-7
8-11
12-15
16+

This damage system incorporates, updates, and replaces my old Damage/Wound & Healing modifications. In my new damage chart (for everything), every result difference increment is a range of 4 die roll results, which now makes this system only slightly more damaging than RAW. (A difference of 8 is incapacitated/heavy damage instead of wounded/light damage, and a difference of 12 is mortally wounded/severe damage instead of incapacitated/heavy.) One of my prior complaints was the seemingly arbitrary level ranges that varied from 3 to 5 each. Even my first revision based on die code averages still had varying level ranges (3 or 4 due to rounding), so making it 4 results each appealed to me and lined it up with RAW, so 16+ is still killed/destroyed. I did have to move 0 down to line it all up. Outside of damage, I am still committed to my 3.5/7 difficulty system, which shows through here in all the 3 and 7 modifiers.

Characters/Creatures

I've done away with the harsh arithmetical wound/damage accumulation, so we are back to RAW accumulation, with just a few little tweaks. And as mentioned elsewhere, I did away with the last vestiges of 1e damage (stunned in any part of 'soak'), and instead just addressed my issue of soaking blaster bolts with a simple optional rule of minimum blaster damage. The character/creature wound effects and everything else is nearly identical to what I already had in that thread, but I did add an incremental loss of speed levels to wound statuses.

Repair Times Concept

RAWs system of only taking 15 minutes for any repair no matter how difficult, but only needing more time if the first roll fails wasn't working for me. More severe damage should be harder and take more time both. I also didn't care for how different tech has different time increments. So I decided to tie the repair time to the difficulty. And repair times quadruple at ever level, so a lot of the RAW times are a part of the system. The exponentially increasing times makes more sense to me with the Damage Control system (see below). But after the initial repair roll for whatever time that repair takes, then if you fail you can keep trying, going back to 15 minutes additional minutes of time and up the ladder of repair times for additional rolls until the repair is successful.

Damage Control

This is my fast and dirty system for fast and dirty improper jury-rigged 'repairs' of any tech, just to get something working temporally at one less level of damage, at risk of it failing every time it is used. The item/system isn't actually repaired, and if the jury-rig fails it goes back to the functionality of its true damage status (with no further option to jury-rig again unless it is damaged further). And there is a 1/36 chance of the jury-rig blowing up every time it is used, causing a worse damage than before. I like it. With Damage Control and Power Control, tech characters have a lot to do during space combat, but you can also use this system to pawn some faulty droid off on someone. This system will likely get tweaked as I put it into use, but I've got a good basis for starting out.

Droids/Shards

This is one thing I'm really proud of because RAW never even bothered with giving us any damage accumulation rules, even in the Droids book WEG published (which focused on programming and building droids). Except for the dumbest of labor droids, droids are characters, so my droid damage system mimics the living character system a lot, making it a more crunchy than some GMs would want to bother with droids. But like living characters, there are rules for important droid characters and mook droids, which skip two damage statuses (except for when partially repairing a droid back up the scale from a worse damage, just like my partially healed living mook characters).

And I included Shards/Droid symbionts because why not? I decided Shards are unique in that they follow the living character wound track for their natural state (with only 1D damage resistance), but stun damage has no effect on them, like the droid bodies they inhabit. So I thought that ion damage should be stun for Shards like it is for droids. I only had to specify Shard differences to their droid bodies for a few things.

R&E verbiage about droid repairs talk about breaking droid repairs up into smaller, easier tasks but doesn't give rules for it, so I gave droids another repair option that no other tech has. It is a little like Damage Control, but instead of very fast, risky, not-really repairs to partial functionality, this is taking the normal repair time to repair the droid at a one level lower difficulties, but only improving the droid by one damage level at a time. This can be done for every level, so it takes a lot longer but it gives characters easier rolls to make. However, I lowered the base repair times to double (instead of quadruple) each level — Droids have more "wound" status levels than other tech, so it balances out.

I added that droids have a limited self-repair option for light damage only with rules for that, in honor of that little known lore about droids from the original film's novelization ghost written by Alan Dean Foster. After his arm was set in place in Kenobi's desert home, Threepio's internal system self-repaired the connections.

Droid characters are largely humorous, so I threw in the suggestion that wild die 1s on damage resistance rolls get some additional damage thrown in, possibly very minor. I was thinking stuff like, the droid glitches and ends every sentence with the words "womp rat" until repaired, or even a body part falls off. Since they aren't biological, traumatic things for humans are largely funny for artificial life forms. They can be fixed. Something for creative GMs and players to add to the game's entertainment.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 2:43 am    Post subject: Star Wars D6 Damage Reply with quote

Vehicles (and spaceships)

For vehicles and spaceships, I renamed "Lost Moves" to what they actually are in the R&E edition of the game: Lost Speed Levels. "Lost Moves" is a vestige of Blue Vader 2e where instead of speeds, everything moved a number of "moves" which meant what multiple of the character or vehicle’s move stat. You could move a "half-speed movement" or up to 4 "moves" per round (which equaled what we now call "All-Out"). But you had to roll for each move action, which meant you rolled up to four times each round just for movement alone! Blue Vader was my college years and I remember hating that particular crunch. Bill Smith wasn’t satisfied with movement rules in Blue Vader, so they were changed for R&E where we have exponential speed levels and only one movement roll per round depending on the "speed." With this change, in R&E we lost the gradient of 3 times the base move (see below), but the overall system movement system in R&E is still an improvement. However, in R&E they only updated the descriptions on the Lost Moves chart in R&E without updating the out-of-date mechanic name. Since 1996, we no longer lose "moves" and that terminology is more confusing now, so I changed it. We lose Speed Levels.

In Blue Vader 2e, we had four moves plus "half-speed movement" which we now call "Cautious" and counts as our first speed level. Although the rules presented for it in Blue Vader were not quite complete, back then we technically had five speeds levels, not four. It is very easy in the RAW damage system to lose speed levels, because ships don't tend to have very many Maneuverability dice and when they are gone, that damage result says to lose Speed Levels. And R&E took a Speed Level away, making the issue worse. So I added the "3 Moves" gradient back to my system, but only for damage — the first Lost Speed Level reduces All-Out to x3, thus giving ships an extra step before your drive is disabled or destroyed. Then the rest of the lost speed levels lose a whole level like in both second editions.

For vehicles and spaceships both, I eliminated a lot of duplicate results and tweaked the descriptions to make things more appropriate to their level. I didn’t like any results that automatically destroyed anything before damage accumulated to that. I extrapolated a crash-land system for a few damage results that seem to not want to make the damage so deadly, and also applied it to spaceships where applicable. I tweaked the vehicle and starship 'stun' option and Ion Cannon rules.

Vehicles

Not much more to say. I kept the RAW accumulation and added a few results to lightly damaged so there would be six different possible results instead of only three because that will be the one rolled the most since vehicles can take unlimited light damages without progressing to heavily damaged. I tried to keep it as general as possible since different vehicle types have different systems. (Although most vehicles in the galaxy would not have weapons, there is a much greater chance of PCs being involved with vehicles that do.)

Shields and Tractor Beams

I just wanted to try some new things without veering too far from RAW. These will likely be further tweaked over time.

Spaceships

The dumbest thing about the RAW starship damage chart has been fixed in mine. The whole purpose of having a backup hyperdrive is in case the primary hyperdrive is offline. On the RAW damage chart, there are no possible outcomes where one hyperdrive is offline while the other still works. They are either both fine, or they both go down together. That makes little sense. Although it is true that they both go offline, they have to get repaired individually. However, in RAW it is the same difficulty to repair and time taken for "a damaged hyperdrive." Which means, of course you will always repair the main hyperdrive before the backup, so the backup hyperdrive will still never be needed—there is really no point in even having one according to RAW. With my system, either hyperdrive can go out independently. If one goes down, you still have the other. That’s what redundancy is. Of course, if you are extremely unlucky, there is still a chance both could go down (in separate attacks). So I made the backup hyperdrive go offline with heavy damage which will be the moderate difficulty and one hour to repair, while the primary hyperdrive being disabled is severe damage so a higher difficulty and the longer time taken to fix. So even in the unlikely event that they both get disabled, you might need to repair the backup first. So the three RAW hyperspace-related damages on my chart are now one for each of the three hyperspace-related technologies on the ship: navicomputer (light), backup hyperdrive (heavy) and main hyperdrive (severe).

I'm really proud of my spaceship damage chart. I wanted to add a lot of other systems to the chart to reflect all the technologies that can have problems on a spaceship, but I didn’t want to veer too far away from the classic starship system damages that we’ve had for 33 years now. How I accomplished that was by replacing one of the two weapons-related light damages with a result that requires you to roll 2D, thus giving 11 more possible ways to damage your ship, some of which include different effects for first and second damage to the system. It is set up so none of these systems can be damaged more than one twice, but all the classic light damaged systems (such as a weapon, shields, maneuverability, speed) are all in the main 1D roll for light damage and heavy damage, with some of the effects tweaked a little. The extra weapons damage in the RAW's chart heavy damage was replaced with sensor damage (there is also a light version of sensor damage in the 'Roll 2D' result of light damage).

Damage accumulation was tweaked a little for spaceships. I kept a severely damaged ship getting any further damage of any level (even light) destroying the ship. I altered RAW's heavy damage where any light damage automatically sends it to severely damaged status—instead I made it so there is a 1-in-6 chance of every subsequent light damage sending a heavily damaged ship to severe damage. That is admittedly less harsh than RAW. Heavy damage with a second heavy damage still sends it to severe damage. I did add that if a ship has 2 light damages or more and nothing worse, there is a 1-in-6 change of any subsequent light damage sending the ship to heavy damage, which is more harsh than RAW. (To keep crunch at a minimum I tied these light and heavy 'if-thens' to the one 'Roll 2D' result of light damage.) All these all things pretty much balance out.

In severe damage, overloaded generator was clarified because RAW doesn’t explain what happens after you stop the main power generator overload. It wouldn’t be severe if you stop the overload with an Easy roll and then everything is fine, so in my version the main power generator is severely damaged so once it is shut down, it can’t be turned back on before being repaired (for fear of another overload that would destroy ship), but now that means the ship has no power with nothing but maybe emergency power (to me this is more "dead in space" than the sublight drive being disabled, which I still have on my chart too). Also, destroyed was removed from severe damage and structural damage was moved down to be a possible result of destroyed. These changes freed up two severe damage slots, which were filled in with shields disabled and a hull breach. Destroyed has an optional 1D roll with four possible results.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Much to grok. I'll take some time to digest and respond when I think I've got a handle on it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very intriguing, Whill. It looks like a lot of work and care went into this!

If you had to make a quick summary, what specifically are the issues you have with 2E R&E as far as damage?
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DougRed4 wrote:
Very intriguing, Whill. It looks like a lot of work and care went into this!

If you had to make a quick summary, what specifically are the issues you have with 2E R&E as far as damage?

'Please be more concise, Whill.' Check. Here's a top 11...

1. Result difference level ranges seem arbitrary.
2. No droid damage rules!
3. Spaceship damage is woefully lacking in possible systems that could be damaged.
4. Soaking blaster bolts.
5. No damage control system (improper fast jury-rigged 'repairs').
6. No important PC/mook differentiation in character damage.
7. Healing rules are wonky (medpacs are too unrestricted and make bacta tanks near obsolete), plus there are no surgery rules so all (A) medicine does is work bacta tanks.
8. No damage accumulation rules for protection, armor, and non-vehicular weapons.
9. Vehicle and spaceship damage have too much duplication and inappropriately leveled results.
10. Repair times are not based on level of damage (and are too short for major repairs), and there is no unity of repair time frames.
11. Like a lot of WEG rules, there are edge situations not addressed or too vague.

CRMcNeill wrote:
Much to grok. I'll take some time to digest and respond when I think I've got a handle on it.

I appreciate it. Any feedback is welcome, but specific feedback (good or bad) is requested from everyone.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2021 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Whill. That's a whole lot of issues, and I hadn't realized that so many of those were concerns.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2021 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been unsatisfied with space combat and the RAW systems damage tables for a long while now so I'm really pleased to have stumbled upon your updated house rules Whill. I've read/skimmed over everything linked in the OP but am a bit confused with the "Damage Resistance" table/mechanism found in the "Characters and Creatures" section. Under "Damage Resistant" it states that when rolling to resist damage, a character will roll either their Strength attribute dice code or "Alternate Strength Damage" dice code from the table (looks like Stamina/2 roughly), whichever is higher. This reads to me that a character will almost always roll Strength to resist damage.


RAW example: I have a character with Strength 3D, Stamina 4D. That Stamina 4D comes out to be 2D on the "Alternate Strength Damage" Table. My strength is higher so I roll that to resist damage.


I would have to improve my Stamina skill all the way to 6D just to gain parity with my base Strength attribute. Am I interpreting this all correctly?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 3:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EwebUser97 wrote:
I've been unsatisfied with space combat and the RAW systems damage tables for a long while now so I'm really pleased to have stumbled upon your updated house rules Whill. I've read/skimmed over everything linked in the OP but am a bit confused with the "Damage Resistance" table/mechanism found in the "Characters and Creatures" section. Under "Damage Resistant" it states that when rolling to resist damage, a character will roll either their Strength attribute dice code or "Alternate Strength Damage" dice code from the table (looks like Stamina/2 roughly), whichever is higher. This reads to me that a character will almost always roll Strength to resist damage.

RAW example: I have a character with Strength 3D, Stamina 4D. That Stamina 4D comes out to be 2D on the "Alternate Strength Damage" Table. My strength is higher so I roll that to resist damage.

I would have to improve my Stamina skill all the way to 6D just to gain parity with my base Strength attribute. Am I interpreting this all correctly?

Welcome to the Pit! You are interpreting it correctly. This option is meant to be a compromise between damage resistance (Strength vs damage) being improvable as easily as a skill, and not having any skill-based way to increase damage resistance. Yes, you would have to put a lot into stamina to have it actually raise your damage resistance above your Strength attribute. That is intentional by design. It shouldn't be too easy.

My skill investment suggestion to players is to improve dodge over stamina. It is always better to not get hit in the first place. I just wanted an option for low Strength but very healthy characters to get a small bonus to damage resistance.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW, Dodge is the main skill I encourage new players to focus on with this game.

It's really important to avoid getting hit in the first place.
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