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PostPosted: Mon Mar 18, 2019 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's also my (A) Marksman skill, so a skilled Sensor Operator / Gunner team could conceivably hit targets beyond "normal" range for both sensors and weapons.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pel, you're right.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zarn wrote:
Thermoclines would probably play merry heck with sensors at any rate.


Only if your sensors are based on sonar. Light attentuation based on temperature is negligible. The rest of your post is sound (pun intended) Smile .
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
...If, on the other hand, you're more interested in preserving the World War II-era combat feel, you could always pare down the sensor ranges to 1 SU = 100 meters. Even an A-Wing moving at All-Out would still require several rounds to move from extreme sensor range to close enough to attack.

Despite it seeming lower tech than modern aircraft, I am leaning toward this option for sensors in atmospheres. Space weapon ranges and sensors are in the same units, Space Units. Targeting computers (fire control) use an aspect of sensor tech. Space weapon atmosphere ranges use the formula of 1 SU = 100m. It makes sense to me that sensors in atmospheres would follow the same pattern as space weapons in atmospheres.

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I was asking if you still feel that aquatic weapon range should equal atmospheric range, or if it should be reduced further?

Well, if we're going by the baseline in Battle for the Golden Sun, then no. Blasters underwater only have increased Difficulty to hit, not a reduction in absolute range.

I've ran Battle for the Golden Sun several times. I think that rule is fine for character-scale weapons, but space weapon atmospheric ranges just seem way too big underwater. So I'm thinking of splitting the difference. If the weapon was specifically designed to work underwater (like the pulse laser), give it the atmosphere ranges. If it wasn't, then cut that in half.

As far as aquatic spaceship sensors underwater, those should probably be half of the atmosphere sensor ranges too. The search range is still going to be way bigger than the max long range of a weapon designed to be used underwater.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Underwater Energy Weapons Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:


So, I started wondering if there would be any sorts of high-tech weaponry that would actually be more effective underwater. Sonic weapons certainly would, but would likely prove difficult to focus narrowly enough for point attacks. could be weaponized to inflict penetrating damage on a target.



Not necessarily...

Lasers are light waves that are focused into a narrow beam.

Sound is made up of waves...and they too can be focused into narrow beams. If the sound was destructive enough, it could make for cool Star Wars underwater weapons.

https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/displays/article/21763155/focus-sound-just-like-a-laser-beam
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Despite it seeming lower tech than modern aircraft, I am leaning toward this option for sensors in atmospheres.

Personally, I'm hesitant to take this route if only because it's a strong possibility for Nape of the Earth / Low Level Flight rules, as in, if a ship flies low enough, any enemy trying to detect it reverts to Ground Range, which allows the ship to get much closer before being detected. Of course, to do so means the ship's own sensors are reduced to Ground Range to detect surface targets, as well as increased Terrain Difficulty...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
Whill wrote:
Despite it seeming lower tech than modern aircraft, I am leaning toward this option for sensors in atmospheres. Space weapon ranges and sensors are in the same units, Space Units. Targeting computers (fire control) use an aspect of sensor tech. Space weapon atmosphere ranges use the formula of 1 SU = 100m. It makes sense to me that sensors in atmospheres would follow the same pattern as space weapons in atmospheres.

Personally, I'm hesitant to take this route if only because it's a strong possibility for Nape of the Earth / Low Level Flight rules, as in, if a ship flies low enough, any enemy trying to detect it reverts to Ground Range, which allows the ship to get much closer before being detected. Of course, to do so means the ship's own sensors are reduced to Ground Range to detect surface targets, as well as increased Terrain Difficulty...

A range reduction makes sense for low level flight, but that is not a convincing reason to have atmosphere sensors be ten times the atmosphere weapon ranges. There is always room to go down. As the rest of my last post indicated, I was thinking of making underwater sensor ranges half atmospheric ranges, so ground/low level flight ranges could also be half, with atmosphere weapons and sensors ranges being the same reduction from space ranges.
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