Cybernetic Question

[Mamatried]

I have been looking into cybernetics and prostetics from the books.
I came across this thing called CYBER POINTS, and I was wondering what if any was the effect of these cyber points, and if there is a threshold.

I can not recall if this is offical WEG, or something houseruled at sometime, but I seem to recall that there were some rules about cybernetics and the force, as well as a threshold for cyber points, and that some or all cyber points would count toveards either gaining darkside points or become darkside points.

as in Luke's hand either giving him 1 DSP or the cyber point adding +1 ro his rolls when determing if he gats a DSP (when not using powers that give and automatic DSP)

So are there any rules really on this, and if not maybe some should be crafted as I can see how a fully cybered up character can easily be a little bit too much to say the least.

I do however feel a need for any such rule clarification, mainly due to a possible leg replacement in a campaign.

[garhkal]

From page 5 of Crackens Rebel field guide..

[Whill]

Cracken's Rebel Field Guide and "cyber points" are 1e. Those cybernetics rules were replaced by Fantastic Technology for 2e, which doesn't have cyber points.

This thread seems more about general cybernetics rules than it is about the tech. Is this an Official Rules question? If so, Fantastic Technology is your answer and I will move this thread to Official Rules. Or is this an inquiry into installing 1e cyber points rules for 2e? If so I will move this to House Rules. Or is this a 1e question? If so I will move this thread to the 1e/IAG forum. Please advise. Thanks.
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[Mamatried]

[garhkal]

Galadiniums said similar for the DSP issue. BUT it had NO info on Cyber points effects on force point spending, or force power use..
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[Dr. Bidlo]

I am running a group with a character who has the Title Chief of Cybernetics and Automation. He has a number of cybernetic enhancements, is linked to an ID-9 Seeker droid, and is running a program to try to develop the ultimate super warrior as a combination of living being and machine. I am working on house rules to represent the dark side of Cybernetics and not in the Force kind of way. Without side effects, why wouldn't everyone just get cybernetic mods for everything? I will let you know when it comes together more. I would be interested if anyone else has come up with any Cybernetic House Rules.

[Dr. Bidlo]

I am leaning toward keeping the concept of Cyber Points (ideally unchanged from any cybernetic enhancements from official sources, such as Craken's Rebel Field Guide, to minimise special tables and confusion. Those Cyber Points would imposing difficulty modifiers to certain Perception skills such as bargain, command, con, persuasion, and maybe gambling to reflect beings being uneasy with people with too many cybernetic enhancements. Similarly, I may grant value as a bonus to intimidation instead of a penalty. You could argue that the cyborg might get a bonus to command instead of a penalty because of the fear they generate, so there might be a caveate based on the conditions of the command and those being commanded.

Thoughts from anyone on this general approach?

[Mamatried]

[Dr. Bidlo]

I think the original Cyber Point rule was a forced (pardon the pun) attempt to explain Kenobi's statement from ANH about Darth Vader being more machine now than man, twisted and evil. Being machine is not what made him evil, but perhaps that is more my opinion... either way, the Cyber Point rules imposed no real restriction on 99.9% of the characters, I would assume.

I like the idea of in imposing a difficulty level penalty to the listed Perception skills for every 2 or 3 Cyber Points. I am leaning towards 3 because it allows a character to get about one cybernetic mod (short of full on Lobot style cyborging) before suffering penalties.

Applying this to your OP, a character getting a prosthestic leg replacement would gain only one Cyber Point (per Craken's Rebel Field Guide) so would suffer no negative effects from it. Now if he ALSO had a RIMPACK (2 Cyber Points), he would start to suffer those penalties.

However, the problem I see with my initial idea is that all of these skills are resisted with opposed rolls, so perhaps a flat penalty should be taken by the cyborg (or bonus to the opposing character) when rolling these opposed skill tests.

I also agree that Cyber Points should have no bearing on the Force.

[Dr. Bidlo]

I would also add the following:

Any prosthetic replacement that is fashioned to appear natural gives only 1 Cyper Point (no changes to the RAW) but replacements that make no attempt to appear natural give an additional Cyber Point.

With a threshold of 3 Cyper Points per penalty, a person with a fully metallic, non-camoflauged leg still suffers no penalties. This seems appropriate because the loss of a limb or body part should not be a concern for anyone. However, if combined with any other cybernetic enhancements, it would start to impose penalties, as personal biases and prejudices start to come to the surface as more modifications are noticed.

[garhkal]

[Dr. Bidlo]

Those are good comments. I updated the character sheet for my player with cybernetic enhancements (an eye and a neuroshock hand) so I took a stab at writing the rule down. Instead of trying to spell out every condition, I wrote that for every three Cyber Points the character at the GM's discretion, may suffer a penalty or bonus of one difficulty level to those opposed Perception tests based on the attitude toward cybernetics of the opposing character. And, finally, I noted that characters also suffer the same penalty when using force skills that do not give them a dark side Point or when calling upon the dark side of the force.

[Mamatried]

I had a suggestion form a firned, and this was basically a -1 pip pr CYber point, upto max 6 pts, at a -6 penalty, this is the penaly given when the character calls on the force.

and every 6 Cyber point, aka when maxed out, it gives an addtional -1pip (or -2) to all force use.

And finally when using the force point and calling on the force wich doubles your alloted dice. here the Cyber points will give give a -2 pip pr Cyber point, for a max of -2D tot the total.

a character with 5D in the relevant skill/attribute/power use a force point and rolls a staggering 10D
His penalties for his cyver points which are a total of 3 cyber points, gives him a -1D to his force dice pool, making the 10D into 9D

becuse he has 3 cyber points, he will now suffer a a total of a -3 to his checks. when he has 4 oints this is raised to a -4
these penalties are added last and applied to the roll.

[Dr. Bidlo]

I think I need to re-read your proposed penalty to the Force for Cyber Points a few times. I must admit that I have not played or GMed a Force user since the 1990's, so I am not up to speed on the Force at all. I have purposely avoided it because it was such a flawed system and I just have not gotten into the various homebrews to fix it.