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Lane Arroway
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Would you consider allowing a pc who has natural weapons, such as claws, to specialize in using them?
I would appreciate your guy's thoughts on this.
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CRMcNeill
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My understanding was that natural weapons just added to damage, so there would be no need to specialize in them.
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jmanski
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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You mean like Brawling: Claws?
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garhkal
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yes i would consider it as i have both allowed it as a DM in the past and taken it as a player of a Tranni and Togorian before. Just remember though, if its allowed, so too can npc's of those races have a specialty in that..
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wildfire
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, I've also allowed this in the past as a brawling specialisation, never had anyone ask to use them with Martial Arts though. |
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garhkal
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If they wanted to make a specific 'racial' martial art that USES their claws/teeth, then they can try, but i would most likely count it as an advanced skill.
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Lane Arroway
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:25 am Post subject: |
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crmcneill wrote:
| Quote: | | My understanding was that natural weapons just added to damage, so there would be no need to specialize in them. |
I've always thought of natural weapons as another combat option. For example, a Togorian could claw you but he could also punch or kick you too. Additionally, using sharp natural weapons, like claws, benifit from a +10 modifier to hit an unarmed person and a +5 mod to parry an unarmed attack. This is the same bonus someone gets if they use a weapon.
I was hesitant to allow specializing at first, but after considering the bonus is no different that someone wielding a knife, I'm fine with it.
Has anyone run into problems with this specialization?
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CRMcNeill
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 8:35 am Post subject: |
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| Lane Arroway wrote: | | I've always thought of natural weapons as another combat option. For example, a Togorian could claw you but he could also punch or kick you too. Additionally, using sharp natural weapons, like claws, benifit from a +10 modifier to hit an unarmed person and a +5 mod to parry an unarmed attack. This is the same bonus someone gets if they use a weapon. |
What is your reference for this? My read on this rule was that the bonuses and penalties for attacking and parrying when fighting brawling vs. melee was dependent on the added reach and durability / damage potential of melee weapons. When you have claws, you are still technically fighting unarmed in the sense that an arm is a weapon external to yourself, whereas claws, which are integral, count as Brawling.
| Quote: | I was hesitant to allow specializing at first, but after considering the bonus is no different that someone wielding a knife, I'm fine with it.
Has anyone run into problems with this specialization? |
I agree with garhkal that a species specific martial art form that utilized claws would be an appropriate skill, but I disagree with regards to it being an Advanced skill. A simple Brawling specialization should be fine.
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CR.... Page 90, r&e book..
Under Melee parry.
If your character is
defending against someone who is unarmed and doesn't
have sharp natural weapons, he gets a +5 bonus modifier
to his melee parry roll.
Under brawl parry
If your character is using brawling parry in
defending against someone who is attacking with a
weapon or sharp natural tools, the attacker gets a +10
bonus modifier to his attack roll.
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CRMcNeill
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My bad. I had missed the sharp natural tools line. I have a hard time seeing why claws would add to defensive ability, though...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2014 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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It adds to defensive ability because its a weapon. Any weapon against no weapon makes for better defense simply for the value of a counter-attack.
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DougRed4
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As this is very much in line with the supers game I've played for decades (the claws would add to one's chance to hit their opponent and damage done, and could add to parry ability), it totally makes sense to me!
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Lane Arroway
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| Quote: | | My bad. I had missed the sharp natural tools line. I have a hard time seeing why claws would add to defensive ability, though... |
I've always thought of it as a blanket rule that covers weapons as well as horns, claws, spikes, teeth or whatever the species/creature uses.
Also, I have cats and they're pretty hard to handle when their trying to claw my face off. 
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