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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:46 pm    Post subject: Rogue One Discussion (prerelease thread) Reply with quote

I just watched the new trailer, and my first impression is that I'm actually feeling more excited about this than I ever did about TFA. A lot of what we will see in this film can be more plausibly tied in with gaming in the classic era. I'm particularly interested in the Rebel scout ship (at least, I assume that's what it is)...

Just figured I'd get the ball rolling...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looked more like a lambda knock off troop ship.. not scout ship..
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That looked more like a lambda knock off troop ship.. not scout ship..

That wasn't the only new ship shown. Look again at around 0:36. That's not an X-Wing. It shows up again at 1:16.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That looked like a Z-95 to me.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Z-95 has a single-hull bow and twin engines. This ship has a twin bow and quad engines.

Go back and pause the video, then put a picture of a Z-95 next to it. They're nothing alike.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're called U-Wings and they seem to be a Rebel troop transport/gunship type of thing. But they may have multiple versions of U-Wings so could have a single-pilot starfighter edition as well if leaked lego sets can be trusted.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2016 11:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They're called U-Wings and they seem to be a Rebel troop transport/gunship type of thing. But they may have multiple versions of U-Wings so could have a single-pilot starfighter edition as well if leaked lego sets can be trusted.

Very cool! Can't wait to see some hard numbers. I reposted stats a while back for a light combat shuttle loosely based on the Y-Wing, but this looks way better.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any info on the quad-wing shuttle? It reminds me somewhat of the BR-23 Courier from RoE.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
They're called U-Wings and they seem to be a Rebel troop transport/gunship type of thing. But they may have multiple versions of U-Wings so could have a single-pilot starfighter edition as well if leaked lego sets can be trusted.


Why rely on LEGO sets when there's been a reveal of the ship through official sources?
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Upon reflection, there is a lot of similarity of mission between the U-Wing and the Pinnace from Han Solo's Revenge, along with some superficial similarity in design (notably the swept wings). It'll be interesting to see more detail on it: maybe it can be fit with a plasma torch so as to allow its troops to board starships or space stations...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
Whill wrote:
They're called U-Wings and they seem to be a Rebel troop transport/gunship type of thing.

Very cool! Can't wait to see some hard numbers. I reposted stats a while back for a light combat shuttle loosely based on the Y-Wing, but this looks way better.

Wookieepedia: UT-60D

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But they may have multiple versions of U-Wings so could have a single-pilot starfighter edition as well if leaked lego sets can be trusted.

Why rely on LEGO sets when there's been a reveal of the ship through official sources?

I believe Wookieepedia got their info from the official video. The episode link describes a troop transport/gunship U-Wing. When looking into it more deeply (see below), it looks like the Lego version has a single-pilot cockpit (which is a normal "shrinking" that Lego does do with the scale) and calls it a fighter, but it still retains the lower troop compartment: LEGO Set

ROGUE ONE ANALYSIS: THE U-WING IS NOT A STARFIGHTER!
Someone in the video called it a fighter even though it was described as a troop transport/gunship. So what I think what we're dealing with in all the ambiguity is the ship classification. I would be inclined to agree with "Stormtrooper Larry" that the troop transport/gunship is not a "starfighter," but whatever. There may not be multiple versions of the ship in the movie.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on the schematics from that link, and assuming that the side-by-side cockpit scenes with Jyn Erso and Cassian Andor are from the inside of a U-Wing (which is my bet), this thing is actually pretty big, with enough vertical space for two decks: the cockpit on top and a larger troop/passenger deck underneath.

The black opaque used for the cockpit windows on the schematics indicates windows on the front and sides of the lower deck, as well. However, there is no indication of side windows in the trailer.

The Celebration "Making of" video does show a door gunner, with what I would guess to be a light or medium repeating blaster...

There does seem to be a bow ramp, as well...
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Wookieepedia: UT-60D

Appreciated, but Wookieepedia doesn't have much more detail than the rest of us at this point.

Based on what I've seen, I'm willing to make a guess at a stat.
    U-WING COMBAT SHUTTLE
    Craft: Incom's UT-60D "U-Wing"
    Type: Multi-Role Combat Shuttle
    Scale: Starfighter
    Length: 37.5 meters
    Skill: Space Transports: U-Wing
    Crew: 2 (1 @ +5) & 2 Gunners
    Passengers: 10 (or 10 metric tons cargo capacity)
    Consumables: 10 days
    Nav Computer: Yes
    Hyperdrive Multiplier: x2
    Hyperdrive Backup: x10
    Maneuverability: 1D+1
    Space: 6
    Atmosphere: 330; 950 kmh
    Hull: 4D
    Shields: 1D
    Sensors:
    Passive: 15/0D
    Scan: 25/1D
    Search: 40/2D
    Focus: 1/3D
    Weapons:
    2 Medium Laser Cannon (Fire-Linked)
    Fire Arc: Front
    Crew: 1 (pilot or co-pilot)
    Skill: Starship Gunnery
    Fire Control: 2D
    Space Range: 1-3/12/25
    Atmosphere Range: 100m-300m/1.2km/2.5km
    Damage: 6D
    2 Proton Torpedo Launchers (Fire-Linked)
    Fire Arc: Front
    Crew: 1 (pilot or co-pilot)
    Fire Control: 1D
    Space Range: 1/3/7
    Atmosphere Range: 30-100/300/700
    Damage: 9D
    Ammo: 4 per launcher
    2 Medium Repeating Blasters
    Fire Arc: 1 Front/Left, 1 Front/Right (+5 Difficulty to Hit in Front Arc)
    Scale: Character
    Crew: 1
    Skill: Blaster
    Fire Control: None (manually aimed by Gunner)
    Atmosphere Range: 3-50/150/400
    Rate of Fire: 2D Auto-Fire
    Damage: 6D
    Note: Can only be fired if the U-Wing's side doors are open, which is only possible in atmosphere. When the doors are open, the door gunner receives the equivalent of 1/4 Cover.

Obviously, there is a lot of guesswork and conjecture on my part at this point, but I can offer a few points:
    Length: If you look at the partial blueprint on the link Whill provided, the top view is laid out on a grid pattern, with the U-Wing being just over 37 squares long, so 37.5

    Gunners: We only see one door gunner in the available material, but I'm going to assume one on each side.

    Passengers: My guess may be low, but I'm not married to this number...

    Maneuverability, Hull and Shields: If this thing is a combat shuttle, it's going to have to be durable and able to take a lot of hits. However, I don't want it to be a flying tank, so I made it just as durable as an X-Wing, despite its larger size. I also made it less maneuverable than a Y-Wing. So, it's big, tough, faster than most space transports, but still slower and more clumsy than most starfighters.

EDIT: Based on new external evidence, I believe this ship is equipped with proton torpedo launchers. This would be appropriate for a gunship providing fire support for ground troops.

EDIT: Changed the type from Pinnace to Shuttle, as a Pinnace is historically a small, short ranged craft attached to a naval vessel, while the U-Wing can clearly be seen operating from a planetary base and is hyperspace-capable.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoa, cool!

CRMcNeill wrote:
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Wookieepedia: UT-60D

Appreciated, but Wookieepedia doesn't have much more detail than the rest of us at this point.

Yeah, just mainly adding the ship's model number to the convo ("UT-60D") and the source.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a nice find: 3D turntables of the U-Wing with its wings forward...



And swept aft...



Notice the notches on either side aft of the cockpit. I'm thinking proton torpedo launchers... After all, it is a gunship...

And this is ILM's turntable reference, so...
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