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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:25 pm    Post subject: Urban Stormtrooper ? Reply with quote

Death Troopers and the Tank Troopers write-up that had the streetwise skill made me think of a old specialized stormtrooper variant I haven't used in a long time, a classic-era urban stormtrooper nicknamed "Streettrooper" that wore non-reflective black armor and specialized in sneaking, streetwise and fighting in an urban environment, kind of like the stormtrooper version of the Rebel SpecForce Urban Combat Specialists. I've looked through some of my books and Wookieepedia, and I just can't find anything. I don't think they were the GG9's storm commandos, shadow troopers and anything else like that. I'm thinking of a dedicated urban stormtrooper.

Was this ever published? Did I homebrew that myself and forgot I created it?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I certainly don't remember ever encountering any sort of dedicated Imperial urban combat specialist in any SWU RPG book, either D6 or otherwise. But it's an intriguing question. One would certainly expect the Empire to have some sort of "urban stormtrooper" since so many of the Core worlds are city-planets like Coruscant.

The closest thing I can think of that even comes close would be the Coruscant Guard (which, despite their name are stationed on many Core worlds, not just Coruscant), but as I recall, they're more of a police force than actual military. Then again, I'm sure that the Coruscant Guard would have the training to function at least adequately in urban combat environments (though their flashy red armor doesn't do much in the way of camouflage....)

But yeah, this is the sort of thing I'd expect the Empire to have as a matter of course. If no one has drawn this up, someone really should.

EDIT: Also, one might consider that stormtroopers don't have combat vehicles in their order of battle; they're purely an infantry unit. The guys driving the Empire's tanks, AT-STs, AT-ATs and other combat vehicles are all regular Army, not stormtroopers (at least according to the Imperial Sourcebook). Even the Imperial Combat Driver driving the tank in Rogue One might have had a stormtrooper-esque helmet and uniform, but I'm betting that he was part of the Imperial Regular Army like the AT-ST drivers in Return of the Jedi. IOW, just like the battle scene on Jedha, if the Empire needs to engage in urban combat, they send in their repulsortanks crewed by Army Regulars and have either Army Regular grunts or (non-specialized) stormtroopers as infantry support.

I'm far from an expert on urban combat (fictional or otherwise), but I think a conventional army would want both tanks and infantry to take and control an urban environment. If that's the case, the Empire already has those tools to deploy.

And if the Empire wanted a mirror image of the Rebel SpecForce Urban Combat Specialists, i.e. some sort of "Imperial Urban Guerillas," then they can just send in Storm Commandos who already have training in asymmetrical warfare.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

True, they could just use storm commandos, but i see the usual urban pacification troops BEING regular stormies.. No need for specialized sub-set. THOUGH I can see having them know streetwise and a few other skills...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see this is either regular ground troops or regular Stormtrooper with a sergeant that has tactics: urban. Or else the regular tactics a sergeant would have. Of course you could stat this out however you want to infinity. I do not think it represents a special cadre, maybe additional training.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Urban Stormtrooper ? Reply with quote

Whill wrote:


Was this ever published? Did I homebrew that myself and forgot I created it?


I've just quickly searched my archives and not found anything sounds like your own homebrew most likely.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2017 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Urban Stormtrooper ? Reply with quote

Thanks, everyone.

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One would certainly expect the Empire to have some sort of "urban stormtrooper" since so many of the Core worlds are city-planets like Coruscant.

Not only for ecumenopolises, but for cities anywhere in the galaxy. Even farming planets might have some big cities.

It probably was a homebrew inspired by the storm commando troopers in GG9. I wasn't envisioning a standard trooper with just a little extra training. Sure those could exist, but I remember it being an elite trooper with black stealth armor and the Streetwise skill (which no non-elite troopers or non-officers would have). Tactics: Urban in a must for these elite soldiers too. The standard troopers with a little extra training might be involved in operations as the "front door" diversion for the "back door" Street Troopers. Maybe their transportation and drivers would be regular army, but for some reason I really like the idea of elite urban stormtroopers.

I can see them maybe even riding speeder bikes, so maybe these would be just a variant storm commando troopers...

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The storm commandos, also known as Imperial commandos or shadow scouts, were the Special forces of the Imperial Stormtrooper Corps. One task for storm commandos was to instigate uprisings on enemy systems or to subdue insurrections on Imperial-held worlds. They also served as second-wave attackers in the battlefield, tasked with holding territory won by the first wave...

A unit of Storm Commandos could range from 4 to 40 commandos in strength, divided into four equal parts. The first were standard commandos trained and equipped as line units. The second were assault specialists with additional training on how to operate vehicle and artillery blasters. The third were designated saboteurs and particularly resourceful even for Storm Commandos, given extra training in stealth, demolition and countering security systems. The last part were dedicated tech units meant to repair (or jury-rig) a wide array of technology, often assisting saboteurs.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 30, 2017 3:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urban warfare is referred to as "MOUT" (rhymes with shout) in modern military circles. It is an acronym for Mission on Urban Terrain. I wouldn't have the troopers have any different skills than normal, but a MOUT trooper squad would probably have more grenades than normal because of close engagement distances and some special equipment to breach doors.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll go back to beating on a dead dewback here.

Consider that in the Star Wars universe, there's ecumenopolises - i.e. worlds that are (almost) nothing but city. In this context, I think it makes sense to have an Urban Trooper - just as much sense as it makes to have a Sand Trooper, Snow Trooper, Rad Trooper, and so on.

Sample worlds where Urban Troopers might be deployed would be Coruscant, Eufornis Major, moons like Nar Shaddaa, and (pre-fall) Taris - post-fall Taris is much more of an environment for Tox / Rad Troopers.

I imagine that Urban Troopers would focus on damaging infrastructure, as well as scouting to find targets - likely for orbital bombardment, strafing runs, or what have you. Imperials aren't big on scavenging - they'd likely be focused on resupply drops rather than acquiring necessities in the field.

Gear-wise, I imagine line casters and possibly whisper jet packs (or the equivalent - just like Alliance special forces), as well as copious amounts of explosives. I would think that thermal detonators might be too unstable for field use in this case.

Droids assigned to these would probably need to have some way of (limited) flight such as repulsorlift, and would likely be little more than glorified pack mules - and possibly powertech droids able to subvert infrastructure.

Specialized gear might be computer spikes, or repulsorlift field disruptors - in a post-gravity civilization, some of the more daring architecture depends on permanent repulsorlifts for their structural integrity, and ways of disrupting that might be downright devastating.

They might have two modes of operation - one is covert, where they have their droids carry their gear and walk around in 'street clothes' while scouting targets, and where the other is overt, where they're full-on parkouring through the streets, setting demo charges and shooting people. Of course, Imperial doctrine tends to be long on overt and short on covert, so one might argue that the covert doctrine is less likely.

So, basically, I would argue that they'd be a cross between saboteurs and combat engineers, with a smidge of parkour thrown in. They're not geared for actual urban pacification - or the Imperial 'Scorched Earth' version of those operations - they're much more for softening up infrastructure in a heavily built-up area.

Because of their two major modes of operations, I would say Scout armor makes more sense than Stormtrooper armor (as it would be armor that would have to pack down pretty efficiently), and that fits with their borderline special forces type mode of operation. If one decides that there's no covert mode of operations, standard Stormie armor is a better bet, probably modified with climbing gear and greyish-colored armor.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill, what you're describing to me sounds like an urban scout of some kind with armor rather than a Stormtrooper. Stormtroopers are ostentatious and white and are meant to stand out. What you're describing doesn't sound like that. You could make the mythology that only the best of the best of the best (Sir!) among Stormtroopers ever get picked to go off and train at some black facility somewhere. Then when they're done, they're deployed to urban areas the galaxy over.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill I don't see Urban Trooper to far fetched considering the plethra of specialized Stormmies now. I would see them being an offshoot of Scout Trooper. Same Armor and Repuloir bikes. I see them more as a swift mobile force abke.to navigate an urban jungle when the Empire just doesn't want to bulldoze the city.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, guys. I'm sure I was inspired by the Storm Commandos...

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The storm commandos, also known as Imperial commandos or shadow scouts, were the Special forces of the Imperial Stormtrooper Corps. One task for storm commandos was to instigate uprisings on enemy systems or to subdue insurrections on Imperial-held worlds... These commando forces were created with the intention of performing specific tasks that regular soldiers were incapable of accomplishing. As such, they were considered an elite unit within the Imperial Military and operated within small forces with an emphasis on stealth as well as covert operations over brute force. Storm Commandos were trained to perform covert assaults, precision strikes, and sabotage operations against enemy forces... They were normally deployed on operations against enemy leaders ranging from assassination to capture missions as well as destroying any important facilities used by their foes... Ultimately, the Storm Commandos were created in response to the effectiveness of guerrilla tactics used by the Rebel Alliance. ...extra training in stealth, demolition and countering security systems... Their armor was based on the scout trooper's light armor, though the black color most commonly seen earned them the nickname "shadow scouts"; it was enhanced with a coating of an advanced polymer called reflec, which deflected light and sensor energy. This made the wearers virtually invisible to all but the most determined of scans... To support their mission profile, storm commando armor included a small generator that created a sound-dampening field, numerous concealed weapons... Storm commandos used modified 74-Z speeder bikes to aid them in missions of deep infiltration. These missions usually involved uncovering plots and discovering deadly secrets that could be used to force enemies to cooperate. Their speeder bikes were designed for silence and speed, with a trideflective energy shield that prevented detection.


And the Rebel SpecForce Urban Guerrillas...

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...were a military speciality of the Alliance to Restore the Republic's Special Forces. They were trained to fight in sprawling urban environments and planet-wide cities, and were proficient in using the forms and facilities of a city against their enemies. They were street-fighters and close-combat specialists... Urban Guerrillas specialized in combat within urban environments such as cities, metropolises, and industrialized terrain. They excelled in urban warfare and streetfighting, and were masters of utilizing the constricted and confined terrain of buildings, streets and sewers to their advantage. Employing hit and run tactics, Urban Guerrillas struck fast, sniping targets or deploying homemade explosives, and generally making use of equipment and materials they had to hand to harass the enemy before displacing to another location. Urban Guerrillas do not expect to wage conventional warfare backed by tanks or heavy support. The preferred tactics for Urban Guerrillas was either to ambush their targets, engage in hit and fade assaults, or conduct running battles where they could engage in three-dimensional combat throughout the cityscape, utilizing the constructed fortifications and hazards present to their advantage... Tough, brash, and streetwise, Urban Guerrillas were possessed of a keen, intuitive understanding of how a city worked, and how it was organized. They were unfazed by the challenges posed by the urban environment, of kilometer-high buildings and vast underworlds... Urban Guerrillas were experts in hand-to-hand combat, melee combat, and martial arts... Stealth training in an urban environment was emphasised, as well as how to operate repulsorlift vehicles... technical skills, including demolition and first aid training, and all Urban Guerrillas were street savvy and knew how to contact the local criminal underworld... They were equipped with light repulsorcraft if possible, and also utilized jetpacks for rapid movement. Climbing gear and climbsuits were also used when necessary.

Zarn, Error, and Ninja-Bear, your ideas seem similar to these. No, these specialist stormtroopers' armor is not meant to stand-out and have the psychological factor normal armor does. Death Troopers' black armor is shiny, but the "shadow scouts" black armor is nonreflective, scanner resistant, and sound baffling so they can sneak better on covert ops. Shadow scout missions can only have a few troopers so these are not used like typical tactics using numerical superiority. I can see raids on crime lords as well as military missions in urban environments. I can see them even taking off their helmets and wearing cloaks over their armor and disguises as needed for the ops.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Zarn, Error, and Ninja-Bear, your ideas seem similar to these. No, these specialist stormtroopers' armor is not meant to stand-out and have the psychological factor normal armor does. Death Troopers' black armor is shiny, but the "shadow scouts" black armor is nonreflective, scanner resistant, and sound baffling so they can sneak better on covert ops. Shadow scout missions can only have a few troopers so these are not used like typical tactics using numerical superiority. I can see raids on crime lords as well as military missions in urban environments. I can see them even taking off their helmets and wearing cloaks over their armor and disguises as needed for the ops.

I had no idea that the Empire was actively carrying out agent provocateur missions. Though in retrospect it doesn't surprise me. They went to great lengths to subjugate worlds and gain control of their trade, and if there isn't a current reason to leave a garrison and a tariff, why not create one, right?

Whill, how do your troopers differ in form and function from either the Storm Commandos or Urban Guerillas? They seem to have the "urban warfare" concept on lockdown. I know you are calling yours "scouts" but both the other character types seem to contain that role within them to some extent.
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Whill wrote:
Zarn, Error, and Ninja-Bear, your ideas seem similar to these. No, these specialist stormtroopers' armor is not meant to stand-out and have the psychological factor normal armor does. Death Troopers' black armor is shiny, but the "shadow scouts" black armor is nonreflective, scanner resistant, and sound baffling so they can sneak better on covert ops. Shadow scout missions can only have a few troopers so these are not used like typical tactics using numerical superiority. I can see raids on crime lords as well as military missions in urban environments. I can see them even taking off their helmets and wearing cloaks over their armor and disguises as needed for the ops.

I had no idea that the Empire was actively carrying out agent provocateur missions. Though in retrospect it doesn't surprise me. They went to great lengths to subjugate worlds and gain control of their trade, and if there isn't a current reason to leave a garrison and a tariff, why not create one, right?
Whill, how do your troopers differ in form and function from either the Storm Commandos or Urban Guerillas? They seem to have the "urban warfare" concept on lockdown. I know you are calling yours "scouts" but both the other character types seem to contain that role within them to some extent.

I wasn't calling mine scouts. I was referring to the inspirations (shadow scout is nickname for storm commandos). I see my "street troopers" as storm commandos with an urban guerrilla slant. Elite, sneaky, streetwise guys with non-shiny black armor.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ninja-Bear wrote:
Whill I don't see Urban Trooper to far fetched considering the plethra of specialized Stormmies now. I would see them being an offshoot of Scout Trooper. Same Armor and Repuloir bikes. I see them more as a swift mobile force abke.to navigate an urban jungle when the Empire just doesn't want to bulldoze the city.


Or as Zarn suggested, equip them with jetpacks, for ease of getting around towns (both up and across).. Pistols and carbines, 3-4 grenades (two concussion, two flash-bangs, possibly rathr than that lumin flare reg stormies carry, maybe a portable com jammer (1mile range)..

So for your idea..

Urban-troopers, AKA Street-troopers

Dex 2d+2. Blaster 5d+2, Dodge 4d+2, melee 4d, melee parry 4d, brawl parry 4d, grenade 5d
Know 2d+1. Bureaucracy 3d+1, streetwise 4d+1, willpower 4d
Mech 2d. Jet pack ops 4d, Communications 4d, sensors 4d
Per 2d+1. Search 4d+1, Sneak 4d+1, Con 4d+1 (for countering other people lying to them)
Str 2d+2. Brawl 4d+2
Tech 2d. Armor repair 4d, Blaster repair 4d, First aid 4d.

Equipped with: Whisper Jetpack (100 meter burst horizontal, 40 meters vertical, with a expanded fuel reservoir for 15 jumps), Street trooper armor (As scout trooper armor, but increased to +1d phys and energy, no dex penalty), Utility belt without the Mag flare, but instead containing a short range Comm Jammer with a 1 Mile range (+1d to comms roll), 2 concussion grenades (5d dam), 2 Flash bang grenades, Blaster carbine, blaster pistol.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2017 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whenever I read Urban Stormtrooper, I can't help but think about the Coruscant Guard Troopers.
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