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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2019 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too true. My location used to say 'Hoth Dakota'. Never did like the cold and I got it there in spades. -40 is no joke, folks.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pel wrote:
Too true. My location used to say 'Hoth Dakota'. Never did like the cold and I got it there in spades. -40 is no joke, folks.


Holy jeebus, I'm a Mediterranean-blooded Argentine-born guy (who lives in DC on the East Coast of the US) and as such, I HATE the cold. And my father, who hates the cold at least as much as I do, always flies south to Argentina like a damn bird to flee the cold and never gets back before April. So I sympathize with your hatred of the cold, Pel. (But if one of us simply has to be stuck in the freezing Midwest, better you than me. Wink )
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pel wrote:
Too true. My location used to say 'Hoth Dakota'. Never did like the cold and I got it there in spades. -40 is no joke, folks.

Holy jeebus, I'm a Mediterranean-blooded Argentine-born guy (who lives in DC on the East Coast of the US) and as such, I HATE the cold. And my father, who hates the cold at least as much as I do, always flies south to Argentina like a damn bird to flee the cold and never gets back before April. So I sympathize with your hatred of the cold, Pel. (But if one of us simply has to be stuck in the freezing Midwest, better you than me. Wink )

Ugh. It warmed up today to 11° right now (high of 22° today), but we got a fresh dumping of snow last night so school is cancelled for the third day in a row. It's a good thing I work at home or my wife and I would have to miss a lot of work. I hope the dog can hold on until later when the street gets cleared to go outside.

~Freezing in the Midwest
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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(But if one of us simply has to be stuck in the freezing Midwest, better you than me. Wink )


I escaped to the Gulf coast five years ago and I'm not going back. No sir, had my fill of it and they can't make me return.

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I hope the dog can hold on until later when the street gets cleared to go outside.


Funny story about that: We had a small dog, Chewie, in Hoth Dakota who had to go outside in winter. I opened the door and he leapt off the porch into a snow drift and vanished! I ran outside and peered down the doggie-shaped hole in the drift and there was Chewie about two feet down, just patiently waiting for me to get with the program and dig him out. I did so and we walked to a bare patch of ground a few yards away, completed his task, and returned to the warm house. He approached snow drifts cautiously after that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first, I wondered if your Auto-Correct had somehow changed "North Dakota" to "Hoth Dakota", but after some consideration, I realized it was true either way.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Ugh. It warmed up today to 11° right now (high of 22° today), but we got a fresh dumping of snow last night so school is cancelled for the third day in a row. It's a good thing I work at home or my wife and I would have to miss a lot of work. I hope the dog can hold on until later when the street gets cleared to go outside.

~Freezing in the Midwest

Meanwhile, in Northern California, yesterday was sunny, with a high of 63.

You can hate me if you like, I can handle it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
At first, I wondered if your Auto-Correct had somehow changed "North Dakota" to "Hoth Dakota", but after some consideration, I realized it was true either way.


Yup. It's really a frozen hell.

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Meanwhile, in Northern California, yesterday was sunny, with a high of 63.


And warmer weather is a huge reason I moved back to civilization. I worked in places where it was 2 hours to a Wal-Mart in ANY direction. Not kidding. On the other hand, my job did require travel to and through some of the most beautiful and rugged parts of Wyoming, Montana, and Colorado so it wasn't all bad. Just mostly bad. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pel wrote:
Whill wrote:
I hope the dog can hold on until later when the street gets cleared to go outside.

Funny story about that: We had a small dog, Chewie, in Hoth Dakota who had to go outside in winter. I opened the door and he leapt off the porch into a snow drift and vanished! I ran outside and peered down the doggie-shaped hole in the drift and there was Chewie about two feet down, just patiently waiting for me to get with the program and dig him out. I did so and we walked to a bare patch of ground a few yards away, completed his task, and returned to the warm house. He approached snow drifts cautiously after that.

Well that was a good experience for Chewie and he learned from it. Buttercup is a rescue dog. Before we adopted her, she had sadly been left to live in a basement crate in her own filth for extended periods of time. She doesn't just go out and do her business. She just has to enjoy the relative freedom of the leash and a neighborhood full of dogs so she has to go on long walks to sniff all the other dog scents and mark her territory. We've tried to train her but the most I've accomplished is getting her to pee with minimal sniffing right out front before bed. Even though she hates getting all bundled up, she loves her walks. I sacrificed my lunch shift to take her out to find small areas that had been shoveled or driven through. She'll still jump into snow to smell a bush if she really wants to.

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~Freezing in the Midwest

Meanwhile, in Northern California, yesterday was sunny, with a high of 63.

You can hate me if you like, I can handle it.

I hate you. Seriously, I have to be careful from now on using the term "brutal winter" because brutal will start to lose some meaning. So far, this has been a truly brutal winter. Having a dog that has to walk twice a day has been difficult.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Having a dog that has to walk twice a day has been difficult.


And this is why we've always been cat people in my family, even before I was born. We've had a Siamese named Gaston (who was a gift to my parents just before I was born), then we had an Abyssinian named Whiskers, then two Burmese cats named Charlie and Misha, then my mom and I surprised my sister with a gift of a Sorrel Abyssinian named Tybalt while she was getting her Masters at UVA. Out of all of them, Tybalt was the most beloved because he had the most personality of all of them. We did have a Cocker Spaniel named Hunter around the same time as we had Whiskers, but the poor thing was as dumb as a box of rocks (we got him from a pet store in the early 80s and we didn't know about puppy mills back then). We loved him, but taking care of him was alot of work. We know from experience that dogs are ALOT more high maintenance than cats.

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Funny story about that: We had a small dog, Chewie, in Hoth Dakota who had to go outside in winter. I opened the door and he leapt off the porch into a snow drift and vanished! I ran outside and peered down the doggie-shaped hole in the drift and there was Chewie about two feet down, just patiently waiting for me to get with the program and dig him out.


I love how some pets just have that look on their faces that says "Oi! Human! I'm waiting on you to figure this out!" Sometimes, there really are some animals that are smarter than some humans. But that's still hilarious that your dog leaped into a snowdrift and sank so far in that he disappeared from view. That's like something out of a cartoon. Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2019 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not cannibalism since they don't eat other Ewoks.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
It's not cannibalism since they don't eat other Ewoks.


Yeeeeeah, I don't think that definition will fly in a galaxy with literally millions of sapient/sentient species. After all, would any (honest) court in the GFFA rule that it's not cannibalism if a Duros ate the meat of a human? Or if a human ate Wookiee meat? Or if a Chiss ate Ithorian meat? In a universe with so many different sentint species, I think it would be inevitable that cannibalism's definition would be expanded from "eating your own kind" to "eating any sentient creature."

It's still a funny picture, though.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They were going to cook Luke, Chewie, and Han. What did the Rebels expect? I didn't see any livestock roaming the Ewok village...
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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They were going to cook Luke, Chewie, and Han. What did the Rebels expect? I didn't see any livestock roaming the Ewok village...


Ewoks! Making cannibalism cute since 1983!
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2019 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sutehp wrote:
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It's not cannibalism since they don't eat other Ewoks.

Yeeeeeah, I don't think that definition will fly in a galaxy with literally millions of sapient/sentient species. After all, would any (honest) court in the GFFA rule that it's not cannibalism if a Duros ate the meat of a human? Or if a human ate Wookiee meat? Or if a Chiss ate Ithorian meat? In a universe with so many different sentint species, I think it would be inevitable that cannibalism's definition would be expanded from "eating your own kind" to "eating any sentient creature."

Ewoks live in a nature sanctuary. They are not subject to galactic law. And it is not a morality issue for them - Ewoks think only Ewoks are sentient. And Threepio. They are primitive, so they don't know better. Ewok law forbids Ewoks from eating other Ewoks, which is their definition of cannibalism. And after the Battle of Endor, it was a matter of practicality - What else could you do with all those bodies but eat them?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Ewoks live in a nature sanctuary.


The reference to the "Sanctuary Moon" was just a throwaway line by Palpatine in ROTJ. The stuff about it being an actual nature sanctuary is Legends, not canon.

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They are not subject to galactic law.


Well, with the Empire involved, it's not like the the rule of law of a despotic military dictatorship has any legitimacy anyway. The Empire still invaded Endor to make their base and planetary shield and the second Death Star without involving the Ewoks' legal rights, so it's not like the Ewoks could make any sort of legal appeals even if they had access to lawyers, could they? If the Empire doesn't care about your rights, galactic law is irrelevant and illegitimate. Well, since the Empire is a dictatorship, its law is still irrelevant and illegitimate even if it does care about your rights (which is probably rare enough in any case).

But even in the era of the New Republic, if you're right that the Ewoks aren't subject to galactic law, I guess there's nothing preventing anyone from gathering a posse of sorts and killing a few Ewoks in retaliation for killing and eating a few humans or Duros or Wookiees or Chiss or Ithorians....

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And it is not a morality issue for them - Ewoks think only Ewoks are sentient. And Threepio. They are primitive, so they don't know better. Ewok law forbids Ewoks from eating other Ewoks, which is their definition of cannibalism.


I dunno, after the Battle of Endor was over (and especially after Threepio made his plea on behalf of the Rebels; the novelization gives this in much greater detail, especially when Wicket of all people gives a speech to the Ewok Elders that finally convinces them to help the Rebels), when we see all the Ewoks and the Rebels celebrating together, it certainly seems like they regard each other as sentient people. We all love our pets, but how often have you celebrated a military victory complete with dancing and music with your puppy or your kitty or your goldfish? It's kinda hard to celebrate anything with your friends if you think your friends aren't sentient people. That kind of thing could get really awkward... Razz

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And after the Battle of Endor, it was a matter of practicality - What else could you do with all those bodies but eat them?


Burying them comes to mind. Cremating them is another thought. After all, those two options are what civilized people have done with their dead for thousands of years. Razz

But then again, we're dealing with Stone Age teddy bears, so yeah, maybe those Ewoks aren't all that civilized after all. Laughing
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