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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Ewoks live in a nature sanctuary.


The reference to the "Sanctuary Moon" was just a throwaway line by Palpatine in ROTJ. The stuff about it being an actual nature sanctuary is Legends, not canon.

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They are not subject to galactic law.


Well, with the Empire involved, it's not like the the rule of law of a despotic military dictatorship has any legitimacy anyway. The Empire still invaded Endor to make their base and planetary shield and the second Death Star without involving the Ewoks' legal rights, so it's not like the Ewoks could make any sort of legal appeals even if they had access to lawyers, could they? If the Empire doesn't care about your rights, galactic law is irrelevant and illegitimate. Well, since the Empire is a dictatorship, its law is still irrelevant and illegitimate even if it does care about your rights (which is probably rare enough in any case).

But even in the era of the New Republic, if you're right that the Ewoks aren't subject to galactic law, I guess there's nothing preventing anyone from gathering a posse of sorts and killing a few Ewoks in retaliation for killing and eating a few humans or Duros or Wookiees or Chiss or Ithorians....

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And it is not a morality issue for them - Ewoks think only Ewoks are sentient. And Threepio. They are primitive, so they don't know better. Ewok law forbids Ewoks from eating other Ewoks, which is their definition of cannibalism.


I dunno, after the Battle of Endor was over (and especially after Threepio made his plea on behalf of the Rebels; the novelization gives this in much greater detail, especially when Wicket of all people gives a speech to the Ewok Elders that finally convinces them to help the Rebels), when we see all the Ewoks and the Rebels celebrating together, it certainly seems like they regard each other as sentient people. We all love our pets, but how often have you celebrated a military victory complete with dancing and music with your puppy or your kitty or your goldfish? It's kinda hard to celebrate anything with your friends if you think your friends aren't sentient people. That kind of thing could get really awkward... Razz

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And after the Battle of Endor, it was a matter of practicality - What else could you do with all those bodies but eat them?


Burying them comes to mind. Cremating them is another thought. After all, those two options are what civilized people have done with their dead for thousands of years. Razz

But then again, we're dealing with Stone Age teddy bears, so yeah, maybe those Ewoks aren't all that civilized after all. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sutehp wrote:
...it's not like the Ewoks could make any sort of legal appeals even if they had access to lawyers


Ewok Lawyers. Every argument ends with 'yub yub'.

It also occurs to me that if you've got an Ewok for a lawyer, just plead guilty and throw yourself on the mercy of the court (if any).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Meanwhile, in Northern California, yesterday was sunny, with a high of 63.

You can hate me if you like, I can handle it.

This didn't age well. We caught a foot of snow yesterday. Someone was saying it's Redding's biggest snowfall in 50 years.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pel wrote:
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...it's not like the Ewoks could make any sort of legal appeals even if they had access to lawyers


Ewok Lawyers. Every argument ends with 'yub yub'.

It also occurs to me that if you've got an Ewok for a lawyer, just plead guilty and throw yourself on the mercy of the court (if any).


There's an old lawyer joke that the man who represents himself in court without his own lawyer (i.e. pro se) has a fool for a client.

Which reminds me of Obi-Wan snarking at Han when they get out of the smuggling compartment: "Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool that follows it?"

So now I ask: Who's the more foolish, the man who represents himself in court or the man who lets an Ewok be his lawyer? Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sutehp wrote:
The reference to the "Sanctuary Moon" was just a throwaway line by Palpatine in ROTJ. The stuff about it being an actual nature sanctuary is Legends, not canon.
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I dunno, after the Battle of Endor was over (and especially after Threepio made his plea on behalf of the Rebels; the novelization gives this in much greater detail, especially when Wicket of all people gives a speech to the Ewok Elders that finally convinces them to help the Rebels), when we see all the Ewoks and the Rebels celebrating together, it certainly seems like they regard each other as sentient people.

So you make it a point to bring up that the moon of Endor being a nature preserve is only Legends, but then you refer to the Legends novelization? I think there's a flaw in your argument, counselor. LOL.

And Canon is not inherently superior to Legends. It's a Star Wars Multiverse. The game featured on this website is actually the primary foundation of the EU. Even FFG's current RPG is almost completely based on Legends, but it is officially "ambiguously canon".

And even in Canon, Palpatine called it "the Sanctuary Moon" for a reason, even if the reason has not been canonized yet. The nature preserve/prime directive explanation makes sense for any Star Wars universe. And it was the perfect place to build Death Star II - A forbidden moon in a restricted system known for navigational hazards and thus is avoided.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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CRMcNeill wrote:
Meanwhile, in Northern California, yesterday was sunny, with a high of 63.

You can hate me if you like, I can handle it.

This didn't age well. We caught a foot of snow yesterday. Someone was saying it's Redding's biggest snowfall in 50 years.

Wow! While I don't hate you, I find that it hard to sympathize (easy to empathize). This has been a brutal Winter here in Central Ohio, but I am trilled that today it is above freezing with no snow on the ground or precipitation. Which reminds me I need to walk the dog before my wife gets home.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Sutehp wrote:
The reference to the "Sanctuary Moon" was just a throwaway line by Palpatine in ROTJ. The stuff about it being an actual nature sanctuary is Legends, not canon.
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I dunno, after the Battle of Endor was over (and especially after Threepio made his plea on behalf of the Rebels; the novelization gives this in much greater detail, especially when Wicket of all people gives a speech to the Ewok Elders that finally convinces them to help the Rebels), when we see all the Ewoks and the Rebels celebrating together, it certainly seems like they regard each other as sentient people.

So you make it a point to bring up that the moon of Endor being a nature preserve is only Legends, but then you refer to the Legends novelization? I think there's a flaw in your argument, counselor. LOL.

And Canon is not inherently superior to Legends. It's a Star Wars Multiverse. The game featured on this website is actually the primary foundation of the EU. Even FFG's current RPG is almost completely based on Legends, but it is officially "ambiguously canon".

And even in Canon, Palpatine called it "the Sanctuary Moon" for a reason, even if the reason has not been canonized yet. The nature preserve/prime directive explanation makes sense for any Star Wars universe. And it was the perfect place to build Death Star II - A forbidden moon in a restricted system known for navigational hazards and thus is avoided.


As you say. Cool

Yeah, I wonder why Lucas had Palpatine refer to Endor as "the sanctuary moon" in ROTJ. Did George even know what he meant when he wrote that? Did he specifically say as Word of God that Endor really was a nature preserve? Granted, that sort of minor detail isn't one that we'd expect to have a direct, explicit explanation in the movie, but it is true that the nature preserve explanation does make a certain amount of sense in that the Empire wouldn't hesitate to take advantage of an isolated star system to build a Death Star. After all, they did it before at Scarif (and got rid of all the evidence that they did the same thing at Geonosis).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Sanctuary Moon is likely a vestige of earlier drafts of the screenplay in which it was originally called the Green Moon and it was in orbit around the capital planet (then called Had Abbadon, now Coruscant). Yes, the battle was originally going take place in the Imperial capital system. But the realities of early 80s special effects wouldn't really allow an adequate realization of the capital system, so it was moved to the outer rim where most of the prior films took place. A nature preserve moon really makes sense around a ecumenopolis with almost no nature left.

I can't remember exactly what the Making of RotJ said about "Sanctuary Moon" in the final shooting screenplay or the word of god about it. But for some reason I feel skeptical that EU writers came up with that on their own, but I guess it is possible.

It still makes sense in the film as-is because Lucas probably reasoned that how else could the Ewoks could remain primitive in this galaxy with fantastic technology if galactic citizens had open access to the moon? Even Tusken Raiders had some technology like masks, guns, and moisture vaporators. And Palpatine wouldn't give a damn about preserving nature or non-interference in primitive cultures, so for him this would just be an exploitable system to serve his purposes.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nah, it was the army of Ewok lawyers. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nah, it was the army of Ewok lawyers. Laughing

The thought of one Ewok lawyer is hilarious, but an army? Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nah, it was the army of Ewok lawyers. Laughing

The thought of one Ewok lawyer is hilarious, but an army? Shocked


I'm trying to imagine an army of Ewok lawyers saying "Objection!" but all I can see them saying is yelling "YUB YUB!" at the top of their lungs. With every single Ewok wearing a pin stripe suit.

It's actually a very terrifying image. Shocked
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even better: An Ewok lawyer using the Chewbacca defense while Threepio pantomimes for the jury.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Even better: An Ewok lawyer using the Chewbacca defense while Threepio pantomimes for the jury.


Sir, you are stumbling into territory not even Chthullu and the rest of the Great Old Ones would ever dare venture. For the sake of the sanity of all the Universe's inhabitants, I suggest you turn away from your present course now. Shocked
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There's a comedy series in this, I know it:

Roman J. Ewok, esq.
Ewok Mason
Matwok
Law & Ewok
Boston Ewok

Anyone good with Photoshop? This could go viral.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2019 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pel wrote:
Sutehp wrote:
Pel wrote:
Even better: An Ewok lawyer using the Chewbacca defense while Threepio pantomimes for the jury.


Sir, you are stumbling into territory not even Chthullu and the rest of the Great Old Ones would ever dare venture. For the sake of the sanity of all the Universe's inhabitants, I suggest you turn away from your present course now. Shocked


There's a comedy series in this, I know it:

Roman J. Ewok, esq.
Ewok Mason
Matwok
Law & Ewok
Boston Ewok

Anyone good with Photoshop? This could go viral.


...Yup, you went there. We're all doomed. Shocked

I thought Matwok was especially funny, though. Laughing
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