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garhkal
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
No, I understand, and the wording on the Full Reaction rule made it even worse, because it specified any action, even when the description of Free Action in the same book contradicted it. Poor grammar choice, indeed. For sake of argument, let's just say "any action" means "any action that would incur a MAP," which includes all Standard and No-Roll Actions, as well as some Free actions depending on circumstances.


Very true. The wording should have been much clearer.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
No, I understand, and the wording on the Full Reaction rule made it even worse, because it specified any action, even when the description of Free Action in the same book contradicted it. Poor grammar choice, indeed. For sake of argument, let's just say "any action" means "any action that would incur a MAP," which includes all Standard and No-Roll Actions, as well as some Free actions depending on circumstances.

Logical.

garhkal wrote:
Very true. The wording should have been much clearer.

I concur.

KageRyu wrote:
Ok I stand corrected (though I dislike they listed it this way) - Given this way it is listed in R&E, then I would say the spirit of the full reaction rule was to disallow all actions except free actions. I would have no problem with all of the free actions except perhaps grabbing something while being tossed about, a non-roll perception check that just yields basic information I would be fine with, Initiative become more or less moot as all you can do is evade. In application, I would probably allow the crew of a ship to attempt some of these and possibly other skills but the evasive roll would be added to their difficulty (or made into a Dex difficulty for things with no skill). Of course, on a complication on the wild die the character would run the risk of being thrown into something sharp, pointy, sparkly, electrical, or hot and thus injured. The moral is - don't try to cook live Aqualeshian Lobster while dodging Tie-Fighter blasts.

I think you have a good perspective on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
CRMcNeill wrote:
No, I understand, and the wording on the Full Reaction rule made it even worse, because it specified any action, even when the description of Free Action in the same book contradicted it. Poor grammar choice, indeed. For sake of argument, let's just say "any action" means "any action that would incur a MAP," which includes all Standard and No-Roll Actions, as well as some Free actions depending on circumstances.

Logical.

garhkal wrote:
Very true. The wording should have been much clearer.

I concur.


And when Whill, garhkal and CRMcNeill agree on something without arguing it first, there's probably something to it.

Incidentally, and in retrospect, this topic is probably a better fit for the Official Rules section, as it never really strayed into an actual House Rule.

KageRyu wrote:
The moral is - don't try to cook live Aqualeshian Lobster while dodging Tie-Fighter blasts.


Laughing

Or at least be prepared for a truly epic Mishap if you do.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CRMcNeill wrote:
And when Whill, garhkal and CRMcNeill agree on something without arguing it first, there's probably something to it.

LOL

CRMcNeill wrote:
Incidentally, and in retrospect, this topic is probably a better fit for the Official Rules section, as it never really strayed into an actual House Rule.

OK.
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