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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2021 11:24 pm    Post subject: Fox X-Men/The New Mutants Reply with quote

See the previous page if this thread for a brief X-Men discussion. I finally saw The New Mutants, the thirteenth and final Fox X-Men film (It's on HBO Max right now). It was well cast and had some good ideas, but overall it was a whole lotta meh. Although the producers were hopeful that Disney would include it in the MCU, it decidedly isn't and officially takes place in 2020 in the original timeline, in between The Wolverine and the opening future sequence of Days of Future Past (the film that created the second timeline). I've updated the viewing orders below.



FOX X-MEN MOVIE VIEWING ORDER #1

1. X-Men: First Class (primarily 1962)
2. X-Men Origins: Wolverine (primarily late 1970s)
3. X-Men (early noughties)
4. X2: X-Men United (mid-noughties)
5. X-Men: The Last Stand (mid-noughties)
6. The Wolverine (2013)
7. The New Mutants (2020)
8. X-Men: Days of Future Past (2023 -> largely 1973)
9. X-Men: Apocalypse (1983)
10. Dark PhoeniX (early 90s)
11. Logan (2029)
12. Deadpool (2016)
13. Deadpool 2 (2018)


FOX X-MEN MOVIE VIEWING ORDER #2

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I'm sticking with Order #2 from now on. Hopefully the MCU X-Men films will be better.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:04 am    Post subject: Re: X-Men/The New Mutants Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
I'm sticking with Order #2 from now on.
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Fox's X-Men franchise makes WB's DCEU look good.....
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me its

X1
DoFP
First class
Origins wolverine
X2
Age of apocalypse
Dark phoneix
X3

I don't consider the 2 deadpools in that time line.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
For me its

X1
DoFP
First class
Origins wolverine
X2
Age of apocalypse
Dark phoneix
X3

I don't consider the 2 deadpools in that time line.

Logan isn't in the same timeline either. I just lumped all the Fox "X-Men/Mutant" franchise films together into one viewing order. All the characters in all these films were part of Marvel's license to Fox. (The only two mutants that were also allowed to be used by Marvel during the license were Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver.) It was completely up to Fox how they wanted to handle the continuity between the films.

There are actually three continuities in those 13 films, and one of the three had two timelines.

The main continuity (with two timelines) is the first 10 films. First Class is in both timelines. X-Men Origins is partially in both timelines and partially just the first timeline. 3-7 on my first viewing order are only in the first timeline. DoFP starts in the first timeline and then the rest of the film is in the second timeline. 9-10 are in the second timeline.

I've read a couple analyses of Logan that determined it contradicts both timelines so it is technically in its own continuity. Logan is the send-off film for Wolverine and Patrick Stewart's Professor X. Logan takes place in 2029. I feel it is best watched after both timelines of the main continuity.

The Deadpools are separate from all of them. Deadpool break the fourth wall and talks to the audience. Deadpool also referred to both Professor X actors/timelines, and DC movies. Deadpool takes place when the films come out and Marvel has said Ryan Reynold's Deadpool will continue under Disney (and still be Rated-R), so I feel that Deadpool is best watched last on the viewing order.

I still can't really rank them other than The Last Stand is probably still the worst film of them all. I don't have any favorites. I have no interest in ever watching any of these movies ever again, but I will see the Marvel Studios' mutant movies. Probably even Deadpool 3.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:53 am    Post subject: Re: X-Men/The New Mutants Reply with quote

ThrorII wrote:
Whill wrote:
I'm sticking with Order #2 from now on.
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Fox's X-Men franchise makes WB's DCEU look good.....

The first Wonder Woman film is one of the best superhero films of all time. I feel the DCEU films are pretty good except Suicide Squad, Birds of Prey, and Wonder Woman 1984.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The DC films imo, can not hold a candle, to even the WORST marvel film (and yes all the x-men ones count as marvel).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 23, 2021 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
The DC films imo, can not hold a candle, to even the WORST marvel film (and yes all the x-men ones count as marvel).

Everyone has their likes and preferences, but I find it to ultimately be useless to compare the different franchises to each other so I generally do not. These franchises are not pitted against each other and they are not in competition with each other (unless you have a strict budget of how many superhero movies you can spend money on in a year and thus have to make a choice of which ones to support). Marvel and DC are never released within two weeks of each other. Disney and WB competed on a release date (Civil War and Batman V Superman), and Disney won that game of "Release Date Chicken", but the outcome of that was specifically to not compete. That's it. Marvel and DC can both be good and both be bad. These are not polar opposites. It is a false dichotomy that exists within dysfunctional fans who can only love something by hating something else.

X-Men does not make the DCEU look good. X-Men makes X-Men look X-Meh. DCEU makes the DCEU look good (and bad where it makes it look bad). Marvel is good when it is good and bad when it is bad. These franchises do not effect the quality of each other.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man of Steel was....OK. I didn't like the doom and gloom Kents or the moody Clark.

BvS was a garbled mess to me. The 'Ultimate' edition cleared up some of the mess, but it didn't make it good to me.

I liked Wonder Woman, until the 3rd act. I felt there should NOT have been a big-bad (Ares) and WW should have learned that people are cruel all on their own.

Justice League Joss Cut was a mess. Justice League Snyder Cut was cleaner, and coherent, but slllloooooooowwwwwww and meandering. I do think there is a pretty decent 2.75 hour movie in there somewhere.

I liked Shazam.

I didn't like Aquaman for the same reasons I didn't like Black Panther.

I hated Suicide Squad.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somewhat apropos anecdote: in the SW Fan Fic I’m reading, one of the characters upon being informed that he is borderline Force sensitive, states that (paraphrasing) he obviously can’t be Munich Man since he can’t breathe in space.

I don’t think anyone has ever considered whether the SWU has its own fictional superheroes, and what form they’d take, particularly in a universe with “space wizards”.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ThrorII wrote:
Man of Steel was....OK. I didn't like the doom and gloom Kents or the moody Clark.


I still prefer the original Superman (Christopher Reeve), and even superman 2. #3 was ok, #4 i could live with if the entire universe totally forgot that crap.. I even liked Superman returns with Brandon Rooth and Kevin spacey. MoS was a good retelling, but i do agree, it was rather moody/doom and gloomy.

ThrorII wrote:
BvS was a garbled mess


IT was Decent, a 5 out of 10.. I really think that the portraial of Lex, is what drug it down. The plot was solid, and the special effects were good..

ThrorII wrote:
I liked Wonder Woman, until the 3rd act. I felt there should NOT have been a big-bad (Ares) and WW should have learned that people are cruel all on their own.


True, but she wouldn't have come into her own as the god slayer..

ThrorII wrote:
League Joss Cut was a mess. Justice League Snyder Cut was cleaner, and coherent, but slllloooooooowwwwwww and meandering. I do think there is a pretty decent 2.75 hour movie in there somewhere.


I've yet to watch the snyder cut.. BUT i liked the original. A solid 6 out of 10 for me.

ThrorII wrote:
I liked Shazam.

I liked parts, but for the most, i thought it was just meh.

ThrorII wrote:
I didn't like Aquaman for the same reasons I didn't like Black Panther.


As a stand alone, i liked black panther. Same for acquaman.. In a 'grand scope' movie, it didn't really hit the mark.

ThrorII wrote:
I hated Suicide Squad.


To me, it was one of the better ones of the DCU..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 27, 2021 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I don’t think anyone has ever considered whether the SWU has its own fictional superheroes, and what form they’d take, particularly in a universe with “space wizards”.

It's a big galaxy, so I am sure superhero fiction exists somewhere. The Jedi were the real superheroes, but in the time of the Empire any fiction venerating Jedi-like heroes could be banned. Maybe Jedi-Man would be replaced by Sith-man, lol.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote




Falcon and the Winter Soldier concluded Friday and I forgot to comment on it. The sixth and final episode was probably the best. The series plot felt bit contrived at points but overall it was pretty good. I definitely enjoyed it more than WandaVision. The series plot could have been tightened up into a film, but the way they did it will probably make the sequel better — They announced a fourth Captain America film is in the works and I am looking forward to it.

Here is the MCU coming up next...

Loki. (Disney Plus series — starts June 11, 2021)
Black Widow. (Theater+Disney Plus film — July 9, 2021)
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings. (September 3, 2021)
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 28, 2021 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

REALLY looking forwards to Loki!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to catch up on WandaVision and FatWS sometime. I didn't realize that FatWS was only 6 episodes. So Falcon is going to star as the new Capt. America in Capt. America 4? That should be interesting to see...
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 29, 2021 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes it was announced that Captain America 4 would feature cast members of FatWS lead by the Falcon actor as the new Captain America. For a preview of that, see FatWS episode 6.
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