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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2019 12:15 am Post subject: |
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Dredwulf60 wrote: | One of the reasons I disliked the EU so much is because there was so much weird stuff added in by various creators that then forced everyone else to bend to or rely on retcons.
I don't want to see more of that happening in the official movie canon. |
Too late. It's already happened in canon.
Dredwulf60 wrote: | ...they decide to add something to the Star Wars universe like Star Trek transporters, or a time travel portal to Earth or something... |
A movie with that stuff would be a portal straight out of Star Wars' genre. Some fans expressed hope that Episode IX would introduce time-travel to undo TLJ, or for IX to reveal TLJ was all just a bad dream. I get not liking the TLJ, but stuff like that in TRoS would break genre faster than Ackbar dying in a vacuum. The solution would be worse than the problem, and why should another director ruin his movie too? _________________ *
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cheshire Arbiter-General (Moderator)
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Posted: Sun May 12, 2019 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Time travel to undo a movie would be worse than the, "It was all a dream" scenario. _________________ __________________________________
Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind. |
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Sutehp Commodore
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 12:55 am Post subject: |
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cheshire wrote: | Time travel to undo a movie would be worse than the, "It was all a dream" scenario. |
+1. Most time travel stories annoy me because no one seems to agree on how time travel works, whether you are actually changing the past and thus the future of the original timeline or whether you create an alternate universe entirely when you travel to the past and "change" it.
Not to mention that time travel is a trope so completely alien to the Star Wars universe that chesire is right: using it in Star Wars would utterly ruin the franchise.
Time travel might be appropriate in some sci-fi stories but it does not belong in space opera. _________________ Sutehp's RPG Goodies
Only some of it is for D6 Star Wars.
Just repurchased the X-Wing and Tie Fighter flight sim games. I forgot how much I missed them. |
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Dredwulf60 Line Captain
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Posted: Mon May 13, 2019 8:32 am Post subject: |
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Whill wrote: |
Too late. It's already happened in canon. |
I know. The operative word is *more*. |
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 8:34 am Post subject: |
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Sutehp wrote: |
Time travel might be appropriate in some sci-fi stories but it does not belong in space opera. |
The list of things that don't belong in Star Wars, that are now in actual real SW movies, not even novels and stuff, is pretty long in my opinion. So brace yourself. Nothing's sacred. |
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Solo4114 Commander
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Posted: Tue May 14, 2019 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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Given how the final two seasons of Game of Thrones have gone...I am....considerably less enthused about their project than I once would have been. |
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Pel Line Captain
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:07 am Post subject: |
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Yeah, the fan rage is palpable with GoT now. I get what they were going for, but it's got a lot of the long-time fans less than pleased. On the bright side, my girlfriend (huge GoT fan) finally gets why I get upset over some revisions and sloppy writing in Star Wars, so this latest fiasco has actually brought us closer. _________________ Aha! |
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cheshire Arbiter-General (Moderator)
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:15 pm Post subject: |
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Sutehp wrote: |
+1. Most time travel stories annoy me because no one seems to agree on how time travel works, whether you are actually changing the past and thus the future of the original timeline or whether you create an alternate universe entirely when you travel to the past and "change" it.
Not to mention that time travel is a trope so completely alien to the Star Wars universe that chesire is right: using it in Star Wars would utterly ruin the franchise.
Time travel might be appropriate in some sci-fi stories but it does not belong in space opera. |
Or ate least ruin that particular movie. At this point, we're getting enough films that we can pretty well pick and choose which media we want to pay attention to, like we did with the EU novels. I mean, yeah, it's all cannon, but we all have our favorites and least favorites. If they made Rise of the Skywalkers all about time travel, clown shoes, and space cocaine I think I'd still enjoy ANH just as much.
But yeah, no one has ever really nailed down how time travel works. The sci-fi that deals with it best is the one that just sort of revels in the fact that it doesn't make sense, and they can just have fun with it. _________________ __________________________________
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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cheshire wrote: | Or ate least ruin that particular movie. At this point, we're getting enough films that we can pretty well pick and choose which media we want to pay attention to, like we did with the EU novels. I mean, yeah, it's all cannon, but we all have our favorites and least favorites. If they made Rise of the Skywalkers all about time travel, clown shoes, and space cocaine I think I'd still enjoy ANH just as much. |
Excellent point. Even if the new film went back in time to ANH and altered the events of ANH, it still couldn't change the ANH film or my appreciation of it. _________________ *
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Pel Line Captain
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 2:49 am Post subject: |
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But if Kylo went back and assassinated Jar Jar, I'd like both TPM & TFA a LOT more... _________________ Aha! |
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Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 8:27 am Post subject: |
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cheshire wrote: | If they made Rise of the Skywalkers all about time travel, clown shoes, and space cocaine I think I'd still enjoy ANH just as much.
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Sounds like someone's a fan of Heavy Metal (1981).
I have no idea what to expect anymore. Even for its cliffhanger ending, ESB was a coherent story. A big problem I have with both new trilogies is that the movies don't feel like a coherent story unless you watch a 9 hour movie (and maybe not even then). That worked for LOTR, but SW isn't LOTR.
The new trilogy is a total wild card, no sense getting too invested till I see it.
Hollywood has horribly mismanaged all my favorites over the years. My expectations are low. Just with what's announced, there will have been what? 17 feature length movies, a holiday special, 6 television series? If anything I've made errors of omission, and there's even more than that.
That's a massive amount of screen material. Just having that much sheer stuff, already removes SW from a big piece of what used to make it distinct from other franchises. It used to be halfways manageable and compact unlike a lot of what else what out there. |
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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CRMcNeill Director of Engineering
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Considering what a hash those two made out of Game of Thrones once they ran out of original material to cheat off of, I can't say I'm sad to see them go. As far as Johnson? I despise the man for his part in the current trainwreck, but he did okay with Looper. His "subverting expectations" schtick was utterly wrong for the trilogy, but would probably fit better with something like an anthology, separate from the core story line. _________________ "No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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CRMcNeill wrote: | His "subverting expectations" schtick was utterly wrong for the trilogy, but would probably fit better with something like an anthology, separate from the core story line. |
I concur. But I'm trying to keep an open mind that maybe a more original trilogy under Johnson might be better than how he dealt with the legacies of Luke, Leia, and Ackbar. There sure as hell better not be anything like the word "faster" meaning the same speed again. _________________ *
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