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| Dredwulf60 wrote: | And yes, the Constitution class (Refit to Enterprise Class) had saucer separation in an emergency...but it was done by explosive device in the connecting structures...so it was a one-and-done.
(At least according to Mr Scott's Guide to the Enterprise. C 1987 ) |
| Pel wrote: | | Yup, but the original could only do it once via explosive bolts. None of this separation and redocking business. When Kirk and company separated the saucer they did it for good! |
When they did it? The original Enterprise (refitted) went down in flames in TSfS, saucer still attached (well part of the saucer anyway). I think you mean, If they ever would have done it, it would have been for good.
| Pel wrote: | | I never liked the organic look of the Ent D, but did approve of the C version. Regardless, the 1701-E was much cooler looking, although of questionable battle effectiveness. Perhaps that was just sloppy writing... |
Yeah, sloppy writing. The 1701-E ship was made with a film budget and specifically to look good on film. It is much cooler looking. I'm not a fan of D's shape/contours, but I really hate all those large rectangles.
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| Posted: Fri May 31, 2019 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| Whill wrote: |
When they did it? The original Enterprise (refitted) went down in flames in TSfS, saucer still attached (well part of the saucer anyway). I think you mean, If they ever would have done it, it would have been for good.
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Yes.
I believe Pel meant it as a figure of speech. As in, "When Kirk and company do something...they do it for good!"
They talked about jettisoning the warp nacelles on screen, but never actually mentioned blowing the connectors to the saucer section, to my knowledge. |
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| Dredwulf60 wrote: | | Whill wrote: |
When they did it? The original Enterprise (refitted) went down in flames in TSfS, saucer still attached (well part of the saucer anyway). I think you mean, If they ever would have done it, it would have been for good.
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Yes.
I believe Pel meant it as a figure of speech. As in, "When Kirk and company do something...they do it for good!"
They talked about jettisoning the warp nacelles on screen, but never actually mentioned blowing the connectors to the saucer section, to my knowledge. |
Yeah, this. I remember reading something about the saucer section of the original Constitution-class being able to detach from the rest of the ship as a one-time thing that was never used. I think I read this in a really old documentary-type book (from around 1969 or so) explaining stuff about how Gene Roddenbery (and others) tried to design the Enterprise and the original series show. All I remember about that book is that it was a paperback that I lost years ago; I don't even remember the title.
EDIT: I was going to make another thread here in the Miscellanea section about the new series Star Trek: Picard being announced, but apparently it was announced all the way back in August last year and only the trailer for it just came out on May 25.
I had NO IDEA this was in the pipeline until a few days ago! How did I not hear about this???  
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| Sutehp wrote: | EDIT: I was going to make another thread here in the Miscellanea section about the new series Star Trek: Picard being announced, but apparently it was announced all the way back in August last year and only the trailer for it just came out on May 25.
I had NO IDEA this was in the pipeline until a few days ago! How did I not hear about this??? |
I don't know how.
Discovery is a huge hit on the CBS All Access app (It was renewed for a third season only a few episodes into season 2). But I'm in the minority of Star Trek fans I know who have even see it, due to this general resistance people have to paying $5.99 for each month (can cancel and reenroll at will with no additional costs, ever) on top of their $100 they are paying for cable TV. I'll bet that a lot of these hold-out Trek fans get over their issues with the $5.99 to watch Picard, a bonafide continuation of TNG and the general 24th century narrative. I only half-way through DS9 and two seasons into Voyager. And I still haven't watched Discovery Season 2 yet. I'm behind! And people try to tell me I need another franchise. No!
Not much has been revealed about Picard. He was an admiral apparently involved in humanitarian aid to evacuate Romulans from the supernova of ST09 and failed horribly, leading him to go back to his vinyard on Earth... until circumstances of the new series get him back out in the galaxy with all new supporting characters. TNG actors will supposedly guest star from time to time, but the only one I've heard that seems certain so far is Brent Spiner (maybe playing that third android from Nemesis?). I'm not super excited for old Picard but I am intrigued by the new series and will definitely check out... eventually.
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I've been watching the first season of Discovery (the DVDs are at the library), and I'm enjoying it, but I do kinda wish they'd set it after TNG/DS9/VOY... the timeline is really weird in a lot of places. Taken as itself, it's great. In the larger body of Trek, I'm a bit confused.
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| MrNexx wrote: | | I've been watching the first season of Discovery (the DVDs are at the library), and I'm enjoying it, but I do kinda wish they'd set it after TNG/DS9/VOY... the timeline is really weird in a lot of places. Taken as itself, it's great. In the larger body of Trek, I'm a bit confused. |
Well Klingons have several different clans/houses of multiple races, and in different time periods different ones lead the empire. It would seem that the Klingons featured in Discovery have already been cured of the Augment Virus (or were never effected), but the ones that come into prominence by the time of TOS still haven't been cured of it. Without giving spoilers, some events of the show are classified and section 31 is involved, which is why some of this history is not known later. From what I've read, Season 2 makes more efforts to explain things. Captain Pike and Spock are in it (and the Enterprise). I read Seasons 2 begins to address the technology changes. There is at least going to be a third season. They have plenty of time to explain everything. So my suggestion is to just try not think about the greater timeline and just enjoy it as its own Trek, with the presumption that everything will be explained eventually.
The same thing happened with Enterprise. One of the many things that some vocal fans disliked was how the Vulcans of the first two seasons of Enterprise did not act like the Vulcans of the rest of the franchise. Then story arcs in ENT Season 4 explained it (Romulans had infiltrated Vulcan in an attempt to prevent an alliance being formed with other prominent Alpha Quadrant species), and thus we saw the origin story of the Vulcans we all knew and loved as they transitioned to them.
The same thing happened with the SW prequels. Prequel detractors cried foul when AotC revealed Threepio had lived at the Lars farm but had no memory of the planet in ANH. Plot hole, they cried. I told them, he'll get his memory wiped in between. And sure enough, they put that in RotS. It only made sense. Threepio has always been a blabbermouth, and he couldn't be left with knowledge of the twins, Yoda and Obi-Wan, etc.
So all that really matters for Discovery regarding the greater continuity of Trek is how the seeming discontinuities are explained by the time Discovery ends.
| MrNexx wrote: | | I do kinda wish they'd set it after TNG/DS9/VOY. |
There is one significant advantage in setting Trek before TOS. Hand phaser technology in TOS was always way too OP. Even the little palm phasers have the power to completely remove targets from existence without leaving a trace. (It would be so easy to get away with murder in the 2260s or later.) That really reduces the drama rather than intensifies it. No insta-disappear is something I really enjoyed about Enterprise energy weapons. The Alternate Reality Trek films and Discovery are both set in the 2250s of their respective timelines, and they have established this OP phaser tech does not exist yet, or at least it is not common.
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I do have a problem with the Discovery Vulcan being Spock's sister. Do we find out later that Tuvok was Spock's third cousin twice removed? The franchise is established so they don't need to resort to such trickery IMO.
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| Pel wrote: | | I do have a problem with the Discovery Vulcan being Spock's sister. Do we find out later that Tuvok was Spock's third cousin twice removed? The franchise is established so they don't need to resort to such trickery IMO. |
Spock has no Vulcan sisters. The main Vulcan character in Discovery Season 1 is Ambassador Sarek, Spock's father. Spock himself is featured in Season 2. The main character of Discovery is a human, not a Vulcan. Klingons orphaned her as a child, and she was adopted by Amanda and Sarek. So she is Spock's adopted sister, but 100% human. No pointy ears!
I thought it was dumb that Tuvok was on Sulu's ship, and that Voyager episode was dumb (and introduced with continuity issues, such as a dead character coming back to life). And I thought it was real dumb when Tuvok said he wasn't sure if he even believed in the katra. Has he not heard of Spock, a famous half-Vulcan who died and came back to life because his katra survived in a human? Isn't Spock sheer and utter proof that the katra exists? Tuvok served in Starfleet at the same time as the resurrected Spock. Tuvok shouldn't need to be Spock's cousin to know about Spock's katra.
Since you haven't seen Discovery, I would suggest holding back on accusations of "trickery". It's nothing like Spock being revealed to have had an older half-brother who is fully Vulcan yet fully embraces emotion and falls for a cult, and then that son and first wife of Sarek are never even referred to again. The Discovery protagonist being Amanda and Sarek's adopted human daughter is a fully developed, complex, and evolving identity that is absolutely inherent to the narrative, not some cheap trick for ratings. The main character of this series initially served on the titular ship as a non-officer specialist. The show is a breath of fresh air in a very bloated franchise. It's innovative, actually bringing something new to the table. The show is highly rated and critically acclaimed. I want to see the whole series to decide for sure, but Discovery Season 1 is definitely in the running for my personal favorite single season of any Trek series. Give it a chance.
EDIT: Since this thread was created to be specifically about TNG, let's move general (or any Star Trek) discussion to Star Trek!
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| I periodically re-watch random episodes of this show. I am struck by how many non-uniformed people are wearing what appears (20+ years later) to be ordinary American 1980's clothing. Holy Simple Cosplaying Batman! Back then the clothes looked all cool and space-like. Not anymore! People are just running around in oversized sweaters and office clothes and stuff. |
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