Force Power: Phase

[CRMcNeill]

There is actually some precedent for tech-based phase shifting in the EU, as well. Granted, it's in the Jedi Academy trilogy, but it is some of the least objectionable new inventions from that trilogy.

1) The Sun Crusher's armor is Quantum-Crystalline, which makes use of phase shift laminating to (as near as I can follow) phase a second sheet of super-dense armor inside another sheet.

2) The Metal-Crystal Phase Shifter uses weaponized phase shifting to weaken the hull integrity of a target vessel.

Also, one of my list of things to do for my WH40K crossover is a Phase Field Generator used to penetrate solid objects like blast doors or ship hulls by taking a section of the hull out of phase, so that characters can pass straight through it.

I don't think this stuff should be common by any sense of the word, but I also don't object to it showing up in limited amounts, either by tech or by Force.
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"No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.

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[Whill]

[CRMcNeill]

So, now that I'm home, here are some tidbits from the D6 Powers write-up for Intangibility (loosely translated into WEGspeak):

-Difficulty based on the Strength / Resistance Difficulty level of the material the character is attempting to phase through.

-If the skill roll fails, the character remains solid and cannot walk through the obstacle.

-While intangible, any Physical Damage is reduced by 1D "per Power Rank." (Under the WEG system, there'd likely be a chart that scales up Damage Reduction based on how well the character rolled Control/Alter).

-The character can make an attack by reaching an intangible limb into the target's body and solidifying it (Brawling skill roll @ +10 Difficulty). On a successful hit, roll the character's Control dice against the target's Strength dice, with loser taking Damage equal to the attacker's Control dice.

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"No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.

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[Scots Dragon]

[Whill]

[CRMcNeill]

IMO, the biggest failing there was that Disney failed to establish precedent for it. If there had been some sort of story factor establishing that there were new disciplines or circumstances that permitted such a thing, then it would've been at least somewhat palatable.

Obviously, I have a more open view of what the Force is capable of than you, although I do agree with you on some aspects: things like conjuring/summoning creatures to fight for you, true metamorphosis (as in actual physical change, not merely the illusion of it), rapid changes in mass, etc, should not be allowed.

My view of the Force more closely parallels the various Psychic Powers found in other gaming universi, where things like intangibility and teleportation have long been the norm. I'm also not averse to mining magical spell compendiums for ideas, either; things like the Mirror Image spell work well for the Sith Illusion Discipline or the Fallanassi, spells like Knock / Lock could be reinterpreted as using TK to render a door unopenable (twisted in its frame or messing up the lock mechanism), etc. And I've always wanted to flesh out something like the Abjuration discipline with opposed Light Side / Dark Side energy/mental battles hinted at in the Tales of the Jedi comics.

Of course, just because a power exists doesn't mean that a Jedi should have access to it...
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"No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.

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[Whill]

[CRMcNeill]

No, I agree; stuff like that is silly. I'm not averse to incorporating teleportation of people, objects or even large things like starships, so long as the ground work is suitably laid for it (the fact that Zahn introduced it for the Aing-Tii in VotF is sufficient for me as a starting point), but simply throwing it in as described is too much.
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"No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.

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[cheshire]

Funny thing, I did a conversion of Phase when we were originally working on the CWCG back in the day with Gry Sarth. I did a write up, we kicked it around for a little while, and all agreed that it was stupid but a faithful representation of what was in the d20 book. When the book went to "print" Gry edited out. Apparently because he thought it was stupid, and needed no converting.

I used it as the basis for a spell in a D6 Fantasy game, and it was kind of fun there.

Here's my original take on it:

[shootingwomprats]

[CRMcNeill]

I would submit that this is the core problem with a literalist approach to stat conversions; adhering as closely as possible to the source material assumes that the source material itself was any good to begin with. Just based on what you've said, I'm wondering if the D20/FFG power might not be overly simplistic. There's no reason you can't write up a Phase power of your own that diverges from what you're converting from.

Personally, I like what I posted above from D6 powers; make the character roll their Control / Alter against the Toughness Difficulty (see the Cover/Concealment rules) or its Hull rating, perhaps with a +2D-4D Difficulty modifier for attempting to pass through a living being.
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[cheshire]

Oh, we had someone who had it in our SAGA game, and yes, they used it for everything. Yes, there are some innate problems with conversions. But this power wound up being a problem even in its native system.
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Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind.

[CRMcNeill]

[cheshire]

If I were to allow it in my game, I'd keep the difficulty on the D/VD end, but make them burn a Force Point to activate it. There's got to be a reason it's rare.
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Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind.

[shootingwomprats]