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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
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That's what make this so deadly. It's so mild for some people. Others may be carriers or infected with no symptoms and carelessly spread it to someone else who it might be devastating or deadly for.
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If they don't know they have it, how can they be 'careless' in spreading it unknowingly?


They can be careless in not taking basic precautions.

Let's say, instead of a virus, we're dealing with propane and propane accessories. If you're dealing with propane, are you going to work with the guy who always has a lit cigarette in his mouth? I mean, sure, it's not LIKELY to be an ignition source, but he's doing something that's greatly increasing everyone's risk, right, since you're dealing with a flammable gas. He's not taking basic safety precautions by putting out his cigarette, because a YouTube channel told him that propane fires are a myth spread by Big Charcoal.

Now, switch this over to the coronaviruses. The dangerous activity is "breathing". Sure, it's not likely that any given person has the coronavirus, but they're still engaged in that dangerous activity. If they take basic precautions... like covering their face with a mask, coughing into their elbow, washing their hands... it greatly reduces the risk that they're going to pass the virus on if they have it, and YOU taking those precautions reduces the chance you will get it.

It is not "treating everyone like they're guilty". It's "not hanging around people who are refusing to take basic safety precautions." We ask people to wear seatbelts in the car. We require workers to wear safety gear when dealing with hazardous materials. Wearing a mask when you're in a store and practicing preK hygiene isn't "treating [you] like [you're] guilty"... it's requiring that you take basic care for the people around you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrNexx wrote:
... it's requiring that you take basic care for the people around you.

Yes. Thank you, Mr.

garhkal wrote:
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That's what make this so deadly. It's so mild for some people. Others may be carriers or infected with no symptoms and carelessly spread it to someone else who it might be devastating or deadly for.

If they don't know they have it, how can they be 'careless' in spreading it unknowingly?
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So in effect, treat everyone as 'diseased' (or guilty), until and unless they can prove themselves free (innocent)?
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How is it harsh, when it's literally like saying "EVERYONE needs to be punished, just to stop the few who may do wrong"
I spent 20 years, to defend everyone's freedom. AND MORE AND MORE it seems i wasted my life doing that, since everyone now days, seems to be JUMPING at the chance to give UP those freedoms, just for the 'illusion of safety'?!

garhkal, my quote you originally replied to was in reply to Grimace. There was nothing personal about you no indirect references, but you singled that as an excuse to start ranting about "freedom." When you had PMed me about posting your question about gaming with unvaccinated people and started ranting down this path, I warned you to leave the freedom and leper stuff out of it. And I quote, "If it turns into an argument about science vs denial, I'll have to put a stop to it."

I do not like your denial language in this thread. Pandemic precautions are for the good of your fellow man. It's not about freedom. It's about responsibility. All freedom and no responsibility is a selfish toddler's point of view. I am a full-time working, taxpaying American citizen and I do not feel my freedoms have been infringed upon at all. I am happy to follow the science and not accidentally spread a deadly disease I may have without knowing it. I want to wear a mask and use hand sanitizer. I want to avoid people. It's the least I can do. That is one way I serve my country, by doing my part to keep my fellow Americans alive. What would make me feel guilty is if I gave the disease to someone when I could have easily prevented it with simple precautions.

If you disagree, that's fine. But if you do, then you have nothing to add to this thread. We will NOT debate responsibility to each other vs. personal freedom infringement on the Rancor Pit. Do you understand? You came to this thread looking for a fight. Maybe your AD&D forum will let you argue about that. It's not gonna happen here. I strongly advise you just ignore this thread from now on if it is going to upset you.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2021 11:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, my 2021 started off in fine form. My first load of the new year brought me to Phoenix, AZ, where my truck promptly broke down. It should be fixed by tomorrow, but in the meantime, I’m overnighting in a Casino hotel in Chandler. Interesting to see how masks and social distancing methods are instituted in a casino...
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I do not like your denial language in this thread. Pandemic precautions are for the good of your fellow man


Exactly where have i made it even come close to seeming like i am denying the virus is real, or that it kills??

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All freedom and no responsibility is a selfish toddler's point of view. I am a full-time working, taxpaying American citizen and I do not feel my freedoms have been infringed upon at all


Where as many others, DO feel our freedoms have been severely cramped on.. Such as no going places, no congregating to worship etc...

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I want to wear a mask and use hand sanitizer. I want to avoid people. It's the least I can do


And that's your choice.. I just dislike someone ranting at me, "IF you are not masked up all the time, everywhere, YOU ARE killing folk. And yes i've had some rant at me for that, even when i was sitting IN MY CAR ON MY OWN, and they were screaming at me through the window.

If me saying this, gets me a 'time out'.. so be it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The denial I was talking about is the denial of the science and medical professionals who created the precautions we take. An unfortunate observation I have made is that those that whine about the loss of freedom the most tend to also be the science deniers. Those who are ignorant to science and choose to disregard what those who know better say is best for all of us. Propagandists have created this bs that some people have bought into, that there is some ulterior motive behind science-based precautions. No one is trying to take away your freedoms. No one is blaming you for anything you haven't done. The only blame would be in IF you did spread it when you easily could have prevented it (and without whining about it on a WEG Star Wars forum and where ever else you have ranted about this). In World War II, civilians chipped in and volunteered and bought war bonds and helped out husbandless wives and supported their country's well being for a common cause. 100 years ago, this country had similar virus pandemic, and when they said everyone should follow precautions, we didn't have nearly 40% of the adult populations complaining about it. We should now all have the same common cause of fighting the virus, doing our parts. We aren't asking you to do much. Most people I choose to associate with do their part and not cry about it. Like I said, you don't have to agree. But there is no point in disagreeing about it here.

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I just dislike someone ranting at me, "IF you are not masked up all the time, everywhere, YOU ARE killing folk. And yes i've had some rant at me for that, even when i was sitting IN MY CAR ON MY OWN, and they were screaming at me through the window.

OK, so you are just venting here because of some experience you had outside of here. I have never said anything to anyone not wearing a mask. For the rare instances I have encountered someone outside without a mask, I just give them a wider birth (at least 6 feet) and do not talk to them if I don't have to. I have sat in the car without a mask, with the window up. If the window was down, I put the mask on if anyone might walk nearby. It was really no trouble at all. No one had any reason to be upset with me. This experience in your car must have hit you pretty close to the mark for you to get so riled up about it.

And what you are ranting about freedom, distracts from the real issues of anti-science and anti-intellectualism, which are sadly also real diseases of our society. It boggles my mind that some people don't realize that the sooner we can defeat the virus, the sooner we can get things back to normal. We should all be on the same side about this, doing everything we can to get rid of the damn virus. Not spreading it more helps a lot.

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If me saying this, gets me a 'time out'.. so be it.

No, this is unacceptable. This is your last chance to self-moderate. You are done in this thread. I actually value your participation regarding the game here. (Every RPG forum needs a resident evil GM, and I meant what I said that you are my favorite evil GM). But you don't pick at something I say and rant here because it reminded you of something that happened to you which made you mad. I told you no 'freedom and leper' stuff last week. This is not the forum for that. Please do not post in this thread again. Thank you.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Well, my 2021 started off in fine form. My first load of the new year brought me to Phoenix, AZ, where my truck promptly broke down. It should be fixed by tomorrow, but in the meantime, I’m overnighting in a Casino hotel in Chandler. Interesting to see how masks and social distancing methods are instituted in a casino...

I am sorry to hear that.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that anyone complaining about the infringements of their freedom should explain the country of Taiwan.

In a nation of nearly 24 million people, they have had a grand total of 7 deaths from coronavirus. They've only had 815 total cases.

I'm sure there are numerous factors involved, including their population generally being more fit/less obese (as compared to Americans), but I think the likely biggest factor is that they - being familiar with things like Bird Flu and SARS - responded immediately and were strict about things like social distancing, quarantining, and wearing masks. They took the science seriously, to the point of punishments for spreading misinformation about it.

So while Americans are quick to decry the taking away of their freedoms, the reality is that we in the US have the worst numbers on the globe, and a big part of that is the huge percentage of our people who insist that "the needs of the one outweigh the needs of the many" (to put a twist on a Star Trek phrase).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basic precautions are like firearms safety.

All guns are to be considered loaded until checked and verified otherwise.
And even then I don't point one at anything I'm not willing to destroy.

We've had an outbreak in one of the Investigative branches I deal with. Vigilance is important, now more than ever.

But man, do I miss going to the movies.

The other day I was standing outside a liquor store while my wife masked up and went inside.

I was standing about 6 meters away from another fella whose wife had gone in.

I said "Hey, remember when it would have been suspicious to mask-up before going into a liquor store or a bank?"

We shared a laugh and he noted that now you're eyed by security if you DON'T.
Strange days.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just found out that my wife's dad and step-mom tested positive for covid after starting to feel sick on New Years Day. We met them in a parking lot to hand-off Christmas presents last Wednesday — but we all wore masks, we kept distant from them and we used lots of hand sanitizer as soon as we got back to the car. My wife is a wreck. I am non-plussed to say the least.

My wife, son, and I are quarantined until next Wednesday.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just found out that my wife's dad and step-mom tested positive for covid after starting to feel sick on New Years Day. We met them in a parking lot to hand-off Christmas presents last Wednesday — but we all wore masks, we kept distant from them and we used lots of hand sanitizer as soon as we got back to the car. My wife is a wreck. I am non-plussed to say the least.

My wife, son, and I are quarantined until next Wednesday.


Health and luck, y'all.
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Thank you. My mother-in-law seems pretty much fully recovered. My father-in-law still has a bad couch but has shown signs of improvement the past couple days, so my wife has stopped worrying so much about losing her dad.

My wife, son, and I seem to have avoided the virus, but to comply with Ohio covid standards we continue our quarantine at home until Wednesday to be sure we don't have it. I'm getting tired of everything being delivered to the front porch, but its far better than being sick. I still get fresh air daily when I walk the dog at midnightish. I don't ever run into anyone in the neighborhood but I wear a mask, which is nice in the cold anyway.

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Mom still has a nasty cough, but that's not abnormal for her after a viral flu. I had to get tested because I was exhibiting symptoms ~1.5 weeks after being exposed, but the test came back negative.

Is her cough better?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2021 1:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is her cough better?

Getting there, but still not gone completely. Thanks for asking.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 4:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good. I think my wife's dad is in the same boat. It is extremely likely they were already infected when we saw them. But over two weeks later, my immediate family didn't catch covid from them because we followed the protocols of health experts.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My wife lost her sense of taste Thursday morning. We got her tested yesterday, and we're waiting on the results. We've been able to keep her isolated the last couple of days.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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My wife lost her sense of taste Thursday morning. We got her tested yesterday, and we're waiting on the results. We've been able to keep her isolated the last couple of days.


Health and luck to her.
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