Potential MAX Attributes?

[CRMcNeill]

Sorry, I was replying to Mamatried, but you got your reply in before I did.
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[MrNexx]

[CRMcNeill]

That being said, your idea seems fair. I would say that the retained CP must be spent to improve relevant skills under the Attribute to a minimum of +1 pip per skill. Any CP left over (as in, not enough left to improve another skill by 1 pip) reverts to the character’s CP reserve.
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[Mamatried]

CRM and nexx, this sounds awesome, I love the ideas here.

I was thinking indeed such traning does, or should give a benefit, and using this 1/2 of spent XP to relevant skills under the Attribute is something I never though of but this makes a ton of sense

[garhkal]

[CRMcNeill]

[Mamatried]

I am not sure "limiting" the returned 1/2 CPs is a benefit more than a limitation.

As I understood the suggestion, a Person raising his DEX 4D to DEX 4D+1 has to spend 40 points, on a failure he gets 20cp returned, and accordingg to raw can spend thise 20 on whatever, though as I understood the suggestion, the returned CP can now only be spent on DEX skills, making the returned CP limited to only DEX in this case.

[garhkal]

[CRMcNeill]

[MrNexx]

Ok, let's go with the full suggestion.

Bob the Pirate has a 3D+2 Dexterity and 30 CPs. He would like a 4D Dexterity, and so arranges some time to train his Dexterity.

Now, under the RAW, Bob would spend 30 weeks and 30 CPs. At the end, he would roll 4D and his GM rolls 4D (as 4D is the human maximum), and if he rolls lower than the GM, he gets a 4D Dexterity. If he rolls higher, he gets 15 CPs back, but otherwise gets nothing. 15 CPs, and 30 weeks, are completely lost.

Under my proposed rule, Bob would spend 30 weeks and 30 CPs. At the end, he would roll 4D and his GM rolls 4D (as 4D is the human maximum), and if he rolls lower than the GM, he gets a 4D Dexterity. If he rolls higher, he gets 15 CPs back*, and spends 15 CPs on Dexterity skills. All 30 CPs are accounted for; none evaporate, but some must be spent on skills.

Now, for the why: Training a whole attribute is going to involve doing a lot of different things. Training Dexterity means that you are better with pretty much all aspects of Dexterity... hand eye coordination, balance. Near-human doctor Julian Bashir never played darts before, but his superior Dexterity meant he could regularly beat Miles O'Brien at darts, despite Miles having played for years. Likewise, Julian never played Tongo, but he was able to give a number of Ferengi a run for their latinum because of his superior Perception, despite their years of experience.

So, improving your attribute requires a concentrated practice of different skills within an attribute, hoping for a broad improvement. The easiest example is strength. If you want to improve your "physical strength, endurance, and health", what are you going to do? You might spend some time running for time (i.e. Stamina). You might lift weights (i.e. Lifting). You might go to a gym and hit the rock-climbing wall (Climbing) and swim a lot (Swimming). If you spent 30 weeks doing nothing but these activities (because, RAW, you cannot adventure while training), you might not improve your overall Strength score, but you're certainly going to improve your ability to lift, swim, or climb.

That's why you have to spend the CPs, that would otherwise be lost, on skills related to that attribute. Because you've just spend half a year doing nothing but training, and that's going to have SOME effect. Your penalty is that you spent 30 weeks doing something and didn't get what you wanted, rather than "My CPs mysteriously vanished to no effect."



*I would allow any of the "returned" CPs to also be spent on Dexterity skills; so, while Bob would HAVE to spend 15 of the 30 CPs on Dexterity skills, he could spend all 30 CPs on Dexterity skills, if he wanted.
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[CRMcNeill]

Okay, I missed that in the first readthrough. I was actually thinking that the PC still loses half of the CP, but has to spend the other half they get back on improving skills in that Attribute.
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[Raven Redstar]

I understood it on the first read through and I like MrNexx's suggestion as is. I'd probably still keep my +1D+2 cap on attribute raises.
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[CRMcNeill]

I wonder at what point on the Strength Attribute (fewest skills to improve) would it actually be more profitable CP-wise to fail the roll...
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[Mamatried]

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