Potential MAX Attributes?

[CRMcNeill]

[Mamatried]

So that may be the reasonong why the CPs spent are all lost on a failure.
I could maybe change this to again reflect that traning even when not reaching the expected goal is benficial, and so maybe allow for

It be that the benefit is reflected in a +1 or a +2 raise of one or more chosen skills, in the case of strenght lets say you decide on stamin and lifting, as thises are the ones imo closes connected to streght traning, pushups and such.

so if you fail the roll, you loos ALL invested CPs but you do gain +1 or +2 one or more skills in the relevant attribute.

[CRMcNeill]

What I had originally thought Nexx was talking about was, on a failed roll, you still lose half of the CP, but the half that you do get back has to be spent improving skills under the Attribute you were trying to improve.
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[garhkal]

[MrNexx]

[MrNexx]

[garhkal]

[MrNexx]

[garhkal]

I guess..
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[Mamatried]

How does this sound.

you roll normally for attribute increase.
if you failt then use the default rules, you get back 1/2 the spent cps, that naturally you can use for skills.

However becuse of your traning, you HAVE GOTTEN SOME positive results, these shuld be a benefit to the player character.

I am inclined to to give a +1 to relevant skills under the attribute.

I would argue that command, Con, persuasion and sneak, even bargain under Perception is not skills that increase your obesrvational ability and thus initiative.

Investigation or Search on the other hand.

strenght I would say all skills are relevant.

Dex I would say running, and didgeing, and maybe the melee comabr and the two parry skills would be the ones requiring the most physical aspects. these skills require a lot of mobility to use, and thus these skills would be relevant to the DEX attribute increase.

we can do this with most Attributes I think, find relevant skills.

once you FAIL the roll, but you have still trained and logically you get some benefit.

how about up to total 5 pips to relevant skills, with a +2 cap to any skill.


I want to rise my strength. I make the roll and fail.
I get 1/2 my cp back.
I decide to take +1 to climbing/jumping and +1 to lifing indicating my traning gained.

the rest of the cps, in this case (30 for a 3D to 3D+1 increase)
you have gotten 15 back, from your strength training.

you took 2/5 pips to strenght skill, +1 to each climbing and +1 lifting.

you have now +3 pips left to palce on the skills under the attribute, and in this case with strenght it will be all skills, OR if you place less than the 5pips gained, you can use these for the next attribute roll.

so you now have used 2/5 Pips, leaving you with +3, this is now the bonus to your next Attribute roll.

so failig you can get upto a +5 on next roll, or take upto +5 pips in the skills under the attribute, any pip less than 5 carries over to a bonus to your attribute roll.

[garhkal]

Let's look at that. A standard 3d dex guy, who's got a 4d melee, melee parry brawl parry, 5d grenade, 6d dodge and blaster.
So it would cost him 30xp to increase dex.
If he fails, he gets back 15..

And by your system, he then gets to effectively increase 5 of those skills, giving him a +1 on them. Dodge and blaster alone, wuold equate to him having spend 12cp. 17 if you add in grenade, 21 if you add in brawl parry.. SO HE just got MORE of a benefit, via the cost saving, than merely increasing all 5 of those skills on their own...
That's making it worse, not 'better'.
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[garhkal]

You're not understanding me. IF spending essentially 15xp, nets one the equivelant of 21+cp worth, then that IS a benefit, but its making something that's supposed to be a downside, BETTER than the norm.. So it sounds almost like its MORE benefitial to FAIL the attribute roll.. not pass it.

BUT it seems you're dead set on this, and nothing i say can dissuade you, so i am done trying.
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