Three new force powers

[Boomer]

[Gry Sarth]

Let's all try to be a little nicer, uh?

[ambrose82]

No offense taken. I asked for critical thoughts to help me refine the powers. That's a valuable insight. As I've not had a chance to playtest, I had not thought to much about what level of power should be required. I've not taken any offense to any of the posts here. No worries, but your concern and thoughtfulness are certainly appreciated.

[Boomer]

I tend to go overboard, sorry.
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[entropy]

My apologies, I did not intend to come across as rude. It is unfortunate that one's tone of voice carries so poorly through written text. I only wanted to make people think about the dangers of giving that power to a PC.

I feel that willpower is not a skill most NPCs concentrate on, and since the average human has a 2d knowledge (and the average large and dangerous race even less), it seemed too easy to take out the big guys with this. I suppose this is dependent on your campaign, though. If you had characters making willpower rolls for everything, everyone would beef up their willpower and this power might be balanced as originally written.

[KageRyu]

My only real thoughts is that there are other powers that already produce the same, or similar effects, already in official books. Shift senses, place in hybernation trance, receptive telepathy. By reading the descriptions of those powers, it can be seen that they can be used to produce all of these effects already. It just makes me feel that too many powers are being made to be too specific, which takes away some of the mystery and wonder of the force, as well as greatly restricting the force users.

Aside from that, with the cause unconciousness, and detect deception, the relationship to the target should add modifiers too the roll, as well as proximity. Otherwise they become too easy to use compared with other, similar powers.
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[ambrose82]

While I agree with Kage on the overly simplified difficulty metrics, as I've previously stated, I still think shift senses is vastly different that clear sight. Clear sight has a more narrow and specific use, but as described earlier in the thread, shift sense is used to go from one natural means of perception to another natural means of perception. Many of these types of perception (IR, UV, thermographics) are still very much affected by particulate interference. Even sonar and radar can be disrupted by large or dense clouds of dust or smoke.

Also, Receptive Telepathy is different than probing for truth. Receptive Telepathy allows for the reading of surface thoughts, which often have little to do with determining truth. I see receptive telepathy as skimming the surface, whereas detect falsehood is more dependent of physiological clues and the convictions of the person being examined.

True, these are similar to some home grown powers, but I created these without the benefit of these other sources. I appreciate your help in further refining them.

[Endwyn]

Your just a little off on shift sense. It allows the Jedi to shift a sense to "detect phenomena of a different type than normal. So you don't have to shift to a natural sense. Because of that, you could shift any sense to detect almost anything else. It's really only limited by the player's creativity.

As for why KageRyu recommends that receptive telepathy, it's because when people lie they are either thinking about the truth, their means of deception, or something similar. Think about when you played sick last, whether for school or work - you were probably thinking about not wanting to get busted, should you make your voice sound sicker, less sick? You might wonder if the person you're coning believes you or not. So, if you are scanning their surface thoughts you pick up those thoughts. If you were ripping someone off, you might say you'll give them 20,000; but be thinking "I'll start low at 20,000; then if he bites, great - I can turnaround and sell it for 58,000 easy." [Says 20,000] "He, seems to be thinking it over, I hope he takes it, I can make a great turnaround on this." So on that principle, you could use receptive as a lie detector.
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[Gry Sarth]

Indeed. Plus, remember that if you roll double the difficulty you can sift through the memories of the last day, making it really easy to see if the person is lying.

An about Place Another in Hibernation Trance, if I remember correctly is cannot be used without the consent of the target, so it's useless in combat.

[ambrose82]

OK. I'll accept the Receptive Telepathy being useful for lie detection. Works for me.

Shift sense... I think it's a little off for use to see through clouds and gas, but I concede the "natural vs. unnatural" phenomena.

The two homegrown powers Gry has previously listed fill the gap for induce unconsciousness, so I guess these are just three more homegrowns to add to the mix if anyone cares to do so.

[Endwyn]

Don't get discouraged. It's great that you made some powers for areas where you see gaps. When it comes down to it, some of the official powers are just way more useful than people think they are. If you really want an example, look up affect mind sometime. Most PC's think it's limited to waving hands and telling people what words to say. If you read WEG's description, you could have a practical field day with that power alone.

Sometimes those of us on the forum just jump into the versitile uses we've found for the existing powers. Don't tale it personal, there are definatly some things demonstrated that can't be replicated so easily with the existing powers.
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Luke, I am your father.
That's impossible!
And Leia is your sister!
That's improbable?
And the Empire will be destroyed by..EWOKS!
That's...highly unlikely.
The Force? Bacteria called midichlorians.
If you don’t take this seriously I'm out.

[Gry Sarth]

In fact, using Affect Mind like they do in the movies is probably the most difficult thing you could do with the power. It's so much easier to just apply some slight shift in perception.

[Endwyn]

You noticed that too? I always thought that was kind of funny.
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Luke, I am your father.
That's impossible!
And Leia is your sister!
That's improbable?
And the Empire will be destroyed by..EWOKS!
That's...highly unlikely.
The Force? Bacteria called midichlorians.
If you don’t take this seriously I'm out.

[entropy]

[Gry Sarth]

Yes, that makes sense. Altering perceptions is not as failproof as altering conclusions. But it can be a much more creative way of accomplishing what you want.

For exemple, the group wanted to know what was on the screen of a bank clerk they were talking to. The screen was turned away from them and they couldn't raise any suspicion. The jedi could just mind effect the clerk to make him believe he should give us the info, however it would be a tough roll. So he just altered the man's perception to make him think the screen had accidently turned to the group and we were seeing everything, the clerk then turned the screen around, and now the group could see everything. Very simple, very effective.