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CRMcNeill
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| garhkal wrote: | | True that.. Though it makes you wonder, why then, did they DO that fluff, if they were not intending to GIVE in game effects from it.. |
Not really. That line of thinking is grounded in the idea that WEG never made mistakes and that everything they did was done for a specific reason. It makes more sense to recognize that the WEG writers were operating on a budget and a deadline and that they made mistakes and omissions that they didn't have time to correct.
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Whill
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| Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | That line of thinking is grounded in the idea that WEG never made mistakes and that everything they did was done for a specific reason. It makes more sense to recognize that the WEG writers were operating on a budget and a deadline and that they made mistakes and omissions that they didn't have time to correct. |
Ding ding ding! We have a winner.
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garhkal
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With the sheer # of books they made without any corrections to it though, youd have thought if it WAS a mistake, someone SOMEWHERE would have noticed..
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CRMcNeill
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| garhkal wrote: | | With the sheer # of books they made without any corrections to it though, youd have thought if it WAS a mistake, someone SOMEWHERE would have noticed.. |
Who says they didn't make any corrections? Operating on a budget and a deadline just means they didn't have time to catch everything, so to cover their bases, they added a note telling GMs and players to make their own rules to suit the needs of their campaign (see my signature).
Honestly, the assumption of WEG infallibility is one of the most persistent problems with the EU. They developed a wonderful gaming system, but they got all kinds of stuff wrong, stuff that we, the fanatical devotees of the system, are only thinking to ask decades later. It's highly unlikely that a bunch of game designers and writers, with just months to work with before their book goes to the publisher (not to mention all the other books they were working on), would catch absolutely everything.
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garhkal
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Who around here, has ever thought they were infallible?
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Whill
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| Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2022 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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| garhkal wrote: | | Who around here, has ever thought they were infallible? |
RAW supremacy has reared its ugly head occasionally over the years, which is why it is mentioned in the forum guidelines. But what CRM is speaking to includes an unconscious bias for such things, resulting in a couple recent cases I have seen where people think discrepancies or omissions in rules are cryptic mysteries to be interpreted. The flawed assumption some WEG fans make is not considering some of these things are just simple mistakes. Editors were overworked and had to make sure things were formatted correctly more than making sure the rules were complete and consistent.
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CRMcNeill
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| garhkal wrote: | | Who around here, has ever thought they were infallible? |
Well, I'm almost positive there's at least one member of this forum whose default setting is "WEG said it, therefore it's true." Can't quite remember his name, though...
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Dr. Bidlo
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Random_Axe
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| Whill wrote: | I think sneaking up and backstabbing someone is so not Star Wars. If you really must do that, you can do it without the vibro being turned on and still kill someone.
They are rare in my game anyway, but I'm just giving all vibro weapons all a hum and being done with it. |
I'm going along with this way of thinking. |
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Mamatried
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I have a VIBRBO Razor Gilette manufacting I think, they should be galaxy wide.
it made me think that Vibro "blades" do have verious noise lvels depending on their use and condruction.
my Vibro Razor makes a very very faint humming noise when I hold it.
the vibrations caused by turning on the vibro function makes the razon make some slightly louder humming as it vibrates against a solid surface.
So I would think that the sound level if anything varies and maybe can be adjusted depending on the product |
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DougRed4
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My vibro-razor has 5 blades and gives an extremely close shave. 
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Just hope you don't botch the skill roll, when next using it. 
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Yora
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:45 am Post subject: |
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I never noticed any kind of mention about any sound in any stories I read.
Could very well be ultrasonic.
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pakman
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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While I know not everyone follows them - anyone remember if the vibro blades in the bad batch had a sound effect?
Me, personally- I think they make a noise.
I mean, come on - making cool sword fighting noises is half the fun of playing star wars (my players love the silly lightsaber sound effect apps....).
bonus: That gives the option for more expensive stealthy ones that don't.
Just my 2 credits worth.
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Darklighter79
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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I think those used by assassins are silenced but there are some versions with an intimidating hum - just like predator's smart disc.
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