New force tradition..

[Jedi Skyler]

np. I've spent time thinking about how a separate Force tradition could start up as well. Happy to help!

[KageRyu]

This doesn't really seem to have that Star Wars feel to it. When I read over the powers and abilities, my first thoughts are reminiscent of things I have seen in ninja and martial arts games for ninja magic, and my second thought is that a few of them are really off balanced (with either permanent effects where there shouldn't be, or low target number for an powerful effect). I'm not trying to be argumentative or disbarraging, I just feel this doesn't fit well into star wars. Many of the effects can be achieved already with existing force powers, and others should be much more difficult to achieve at all.

While teleportation via shadow is a neet trick, it has been used too often in the realm of fantasy and has become almost cliche in it's own. While it should be possible to do almost anything with the force, the act of material transposition (teleporting) should be really tricky, requiring all three skills to be used, and should have some serious difficulties based on distance, weight, etc...

As for offshoots of the force traditions, there are just too many popping up everywhere these days IMHO. I am sure that Dark Jedi, Sith, and other dark side users most likely are almost cult like in organization though, being always hunted, and needing to be secretive.
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[garhkal]

So what suggestions do you have to make those powers more balanced?
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[KageRyu]

Let me read over them again, and put a little thought on them.
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[garhkal]

Take your time. Though the only one, i do feel should not be changed that much is that 'shadow envelopment' one... although i could see a name change.
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[Jedi Skyler]

I kinda have to agree with Kage on the teleportation one. It is kinda cliche, and while I personally can definitely see my clear to allowing a LOT more leeway than your average Joe when it comes to the Force, I think I'd draw a line there. If you're going to do it anyway, I think to be fair that it should be so hard to do that it literally wipes the individual out for the rest of the day, or for say 3D6 hours, maybe even more. I say this because it's matter manipulation on such a grand scale that it should be uber taxing. In the novels, Luke Skywalker and Kyp Durron both pulled a stunt with the Yuuzhan Vong's dovin basals, the creatures that manipulate gravity. The creatures had a huge gravity void soaking up laserfire from the New Republic ships. The Jedi went deep into the Force, found the void, and physically turned it around so that it sucked in the ship projecting it. The effort left Luke almost completely drained, and Kyp not quite so drained... but it was like a Heroic + difficulty for them to accomplish. I think the teleportation gig ought to be at least as difficult, if not more so.

[garhkal]

Hmm, interesting point, though that portation power is limited in range.... Hows about each time you jump, you suffer 1 'wound' and when you rack up 3 in a specific time frame, you drop.....
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[Jedi Skyler]

Not a bad idea. Might want to make it two Wounds, to signify the extremity of the fatigue. And it ought to be something the Jedi couldn't just will away through the Force...

[garhkal]

Actually, now i have had time to think on my response, i have to argue against my own point made... Giving this ability, who i invision it's sole purpose, as being to allow the shadow warrior to 'teleport' behind a taarget for sneak strikes; wounds would negate the dropping in behind them part of it...
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[KageRyu]

I'm sorry it has taken me so long to get back to this, I have had a lot going on (in my head at least) these last weeks. One thing I am fuzzy on, is which force skills each of these powers uses? It does not list them. I will read them over tomorrow after I get out of work and give them deeper thought, as promised. While the teleportation power could be a neat trick, I do feel it is too easily used, and seems to just be a collection of combat bonuses in the end. I have a few ideas about it, I will expout them later (tomorrow). As for the Shadow Mark, I feel it should not be invisible to force users, and/or should not require such a high dificulty to detect by a force user, as it uses the force, and all force uses create "ripples" in the force. While I can certainly understand that someone unfamiliar with it might not recognize it for what it really is, they should be aware of this "unatural" force stain upon someone (perhaps Sense vs. the mark's creator's Control?). From there, I would say maybe a Jedi/Sith/Force Lore skill roll of suiteable difficulty to determine if they understand the mark would be more fair. I'll give more detailed thoughts later.
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[garhkal]

[KageRyu]

[garhkal]

So would making each one it's own power (like the dathomirian witches) be better?
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[KageRyu]

Possibly, but I never really cared for the Dathomirian witches, or the series of novels they were from. I found the official game stats for them equally dissapointing. But that's my opinion.

My main concern is that by lumping in 1 new force skill that allows effects mimicking all three existing skills, you will unbalance the force use in the game. With so many people already complaining that it is unbalanced, this will exacerbate things. However, in the end, it is your game universe, so it is really up to you how to handle things.
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[garhkal]

Ok, let me do a little revamping.
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