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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 11:48 am    Post subject: Tector-Class Star Destroyer Reply with quote

This class of Star Destroyer has been mentioned in passing, but no one has really done much with it. While looking at some of the many gaps in the Imperial Sector Group TO&E in the Imperial Sourcebook, I had an idea. The Tector is essentially an ISD with no ground troop or starfighter capacity. They had to do something with all that extra space, so perhaps the Tector is an ordnance carrier, a dedicated bombard platform for use in the Bombard Fleet groups. After all, the description of the Bombard units states that they were predominantly filled with Torpedo Spheres, but the description of Torpedo Spheres says that there were only six of them in service, so something had to be filling that gap.

What I'd like are some suggestions for balanced stats on a Tector.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...The Tector is basically an Imperial without the fighter capacity or any other frills. It was specially designed for Capital Ship Combat, so the craft had heavier armor & more firepower--though considering the limited number of Capital ships among the Rebellion, the Tector is a bit over-specialized.

...If memory serves someone actually did D20 stats for that craft on the WOTC site--not sure if it's still accessible, but if so it could probably be converted easily enough.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schnarre wrote:
...The Tector is basically an Imperial without the fighter capacity or any other frills. It was specially designed for Capital Ship Combat, so the craft had heavier armor & more firepower--though considering the limited number of Capital ships among the Rebellion, the Tector is a bit over-specialized.

...If memory serves someone actually did D20 stats for that craft on the WOTC site--not sure if it's still accessible, but if so it could probably be converted easily enough.


I recall reading that somewhere, but the description just doesn't fit with the description of Sector Groups in the Imperial Sourcebook. By the reasoning found there and other places, an ISD was more than capable of handling the superiority missions required of it, so why would they need a Tector-Class at all, unless it was for something else? Plus, if you remove the main hangar bay, plus the troop decks and the starfighter wing, you are left with a lot of empty space, so something had to go in there instead. Considering the ship's stated mission was capital ship combat, the best bet would be ordnance armories.

Also, I very much doubt that the Tector was left with no hangar space at all. It's far more likely that they removed the main hangar bays and put in smaller hangars somewhere else, probably enough for some shuttles and a couple squadrons of TIEs for escort. After all, if a ship that is tiny by comparison, like the Nebulon-B can carry two squadrons of fighters, I'm sure they can make room for them somewhere on a Tector.

Since there is almost nothing to go by for reference, I'm thinking of making stats for a Tector-Class that are the same as an ISD, but with some notable differences:

Hull +1D to reflect the more armored exterior, and the removal of the more vulnerable hangar bays. Shields are also increased, reflecting the mission requirement of having to slug it out with planetary based weapons like heavy turbolasers and the like.

Troop capacity will be slashed to around a thousand, enough for a reinforced stormtrooper battalion (mostly to handle boarding actions and shipboard security), and starfighter capacity will be cut to three squadrons: two TIE/ln squadrons for escort and 1 mixed squadron for recon and fire control to aid in making precision bombardments

Armament will remain the same as the ISD, but will be augmented by an array of warhead launchers, similar to the VSD, but more numerous. The large internal volume left free by the removal of the hangar and transport decks is in turn used as a massive storage magazine for a wide variety of missiles, some used for ship to ship action, and others for planetary bombardment, including chemical, biological and nuclear bombardments, as well as other, more sinister options.

The idea here is that on the TO&E in the Imperial Sourcebook, the ISDs keep the Superiority mission, while the Tectors are assigned the Bombard mission. With their warhead capacity, they are more than capable of providing big-gun fire support to the ISDs if it is required, or engaging space born or planetary bound targets independently. In that way, their mission would be similar to the fast battleships used to escort carrier battlegroups during WWII, and again in the 80's and 90's with the Iowa-Class battleships.

By the time of the Rebellion era, however, the Tector-class would've been somewhat outdated by advancing technology, specifically its inability to penetrate planetary shields. Something with that capability was needed; hence, the Torpedo Sphere was developed.

Again, just a bare bones idea. Any thoughts?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would say +2d hull and shields, 10 more of each weapon emplacements, 1 squadron of fighters (for escort of the shuttles), 200-300 troops to handle boarding operations, and 20-30 cap torp tubes...
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
I would say +2d hull and shields, 10 more of each weapon emplacements, 1 squadron of fighters (for escort of the shuttles), 200-300 troops to handle boarding operations, and 20-30 cap torp tubes...


I can agree with the hull and the weapon emplacements, but I do think a ship this size should carry more than just 1 squadron. After all, it masses far more than most of the smaller ships in the Imperial Navy, like the Dreadnought and the Strike Cruiser, both of which only carry a single squadron. Even the Victory, which is easily 1/4 the mass of an ISD (if that) still manages to find room for two squadrons along with their troop complement. At the very least, this ship would have two squadrons; one for escort, and the other for recon and fire control. Also, there wouldn't be much in the way of shuttles; maybe a Lambda or some TIE/sh's, plus some repair platforms for external maintenance work. The troops would mostly be involved in direct assault via an airlock, or used for internal security and counterboarding.

As far as the troops, I really do think there should be more. This is still a very large ship, and there will be some very nasty weapons stored aboard that the Empire wouldn't want to see in the wrong hands (translation: not theirs). I expect they would put way more troops on board than what you find aboard the average Star Galleon.

As for the cap torp tubes, I would want this ship to be superior to the Victory-class, which has 80 concussion missile tubes, so 30 tubes just wouldn't cut it. I'm thinking more along the lines of 150 launchers, grouped in ten clusters of 15 tubes each.

The reason for this ties in with the capital ship battle between the ISD Chimaera and the Cavrilhu Pirates at the end of Specter of the Past. For those of you haven't read it, the Chimaera's knockout punch was a cluster of Proton Torpedo Tubes. Each cluster had fifteen tubes, and there were at least 8 of them (and ten is a nice round number that we see a lot in WEG capital ships). I know I was shocked to see pro-torps on an ISD, and I've always wondered why Zahn wrote it that way, so this explanation dovetails nicely with my concept.

My idea is that, as the war with the New Republic progressed, certain Star Destroyers that were heavily damaged (including the Chimaera) were salvaged and restored with parts from mothballed vessels, including the outdated Tector-Class. Such vessels incorporated not only their original weapons systems, but now included the Tector's formidable ordnance launch capabilities, as well. They wouldn't be capable of the same variety of warhead delivery, or the same sustained barrages (the ISD's magazine capacity was too small for that), but their new upgrades did pack a much more powerful punch against opponents who were expecting to face a standard ISD or ISD II.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also considering cutting the speed back to 5 to reflect the added mass of the additional armor and the ordnance armory bays, as well as the increased draw from the upgraded shields.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, here is my version of the Tector-Class:

Tector I-Class Star Monitor

Based on the same hull as the Imperator-Class Star Destroyer, the Tector-Class Star Monitor was developed as a replacement for the Victory I-Class Star Monitor as a bombardment and planetary attack combatant. While retaining the Imperator I's armament, the Tector has greatly increased its ordnance capability, adding forty Heavy Torpedo Launchers and quadrupling the number of Concussion Missile Launchers, as well as replacing the Imperator-Class' cavernous hangar bays with a massive armory, containing tens of thousands of warheads of dozens of different types, each with its own specific effect. Warhead types range from standard Proton or Concussion warheads to Plasma Incendiary, Electro-Magnetic Pulse, Bio-Sterilization Pulse, Anti-Matter, Nerve Gas or Virus delivery, and a variety of other specialized ordnance, and with the Tector's magazine capacity, the vessel can maintain a sustained bombardment for an extended period of time. Indeed, it is the Tector, not the Imperator, that gives the Star Destroyer its reputation for being able to reduce a populated world to slag in a matter of hours.

The absence of the ventral hangar bay limits the Tector's usefulness in a superiority role, but it is unsurpassed as a bombardment platform, while still maintaining the same troop and small craft capacity as the Victory I. The ship's fighter complement is generally configured around target reconnaissance and precision fire control, and the port and starboard bays can also be used to launch large cluster bombs or TIE bomb drones.

The Tector is the principle combat vessel of the Imperial Navy's Bombard Fleet units. It is more than capable of standing in a battle line with Superiority Fleet vessels, but its relative lack of TIE fighters renders it vulnerable to enemy starfighter attacks, so the Tector is rarely deployed on its own in areas that haven't been secured by the Navy's Superiority units beforehand.

As the Rebellion continues to gain ground, however, a weakness of the Tector class has been revealed. Despite its formidable ordnance capacity, the Tector-Class lacks a weapon of sufficient power to penetrate planetary shields, and as the Rebel Alliance becomes better and better equipped, bases defended by shield generators are becoming more and more common. On the few occasions where Tector-Class vessels have engaged Rebel bases protected by the combination of planetary shields and anti-orbital ion cannon, they have suffered heavy losses with little or no attendant gain. Loronar's Tyrant-Class Dedicated Siege Platform has been developed especially for the mission of penetrating planetary shields, but only a small number have entered service, so for now, the Imperial Navy's Bombard must make do with mixed units of Victory Is, Tectors and Tyrants.


Craft: Kuat Drive Yards' Tector I
Type: Star Monitor
Scale: Destroyer (+12D)
Length: 1,600 meters
Skill: Capital Ship Piloting: Tector I
Crew: 31,608 (5,000 @ +20) & 720 Gunners
Crew Skill:
Astrogation 4D
Gunnery 5D
Piloting 5D+1
Shields 4D+1
Sensors 4D
Passengers: 2,040 (troops), generally a Fully Reinforced Stormtrooper Battalion
Small Craft Complement:
--24 Starfighters (2 Squadrons)
--12-16 Landing Craft
--4-8 utility craft blastboats, landing barges, utility craft, etc.
Cargo Capacity: 12,000 metric tons
Consumables: 6 years
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x2
Hyperdrive Backup: x8
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: 1D
Space: 6
Atmosphere: 330; 950 kph
Hull: 8D
Shields: 4D
Sensors:
Passive 50/1D
Scan 100/3D
Search 200/4D
Focus 6/4D+2
Weapons:
20 Heavy Turbolaser Batteries
Fire Arc: 6 Front, 6 Left, 6 Right, 2 Rear
Crew: 5
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Range:
--Space: 3-15/35/75
--Orbital: 6km-30km/70km/150km
--Atmosphere: 300m-1.5km/3.5km/7.5km
Rate of Fire: 1/2
Damage: 7D
10 Heavy Ion Cannon
Fire Arc: 3 Front, 3 Left, 3 Right, 1 Rear
Crew: 4
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Range:
--Space: 1-10/25/50
--Orbital: 2km-20km/50km/100km
--Atmosphere: 100m-1km/2.5km/5km
Rate of Fire: 1/2
Damage: 6D (ionization)
40 Heavy Proton Torpedo Launchers
Fire Arcs: 10 Front, 10 Left, 10 Right, 10 Rear
Crew: 4
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Range:
--Space: 1-6/15/30
--Orbital: 2km-12km/30km/60km
--Atmosphere: 100m-600m/1.5km/3km
Rate of Fire: 1/4
Damage: 9D
60 Turbolaser Batteries
Fire Arc: 18 Front, 18 Left, 18 Right, 6 Rear
Scale: Frigate (+10D)
Crew: 4
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Range:
--Space: 2-10/25/50
--Orbital: 4km-20km/50km/100km
--Atmosphere: 200m-1km/2.5km/5km
Rate of Fire: 1
Damage: 6D
30 Ion Cannon
Fire Arc: 10 Front, 8 Left, 8 Right, 4 Rear
Scale: Frigate (+10D)
Crew: 2
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Range:
--Space: 1-7/17/35
--Orbital: 2km-14km/34km/70km
--Atmosphere: 100m-700m/1.7km/3.5km
Rate of Fire: 1
Damage: 4D (ionization)
120 Concussion Missile Launchers
Fire Arc: 30 Front, 30 Left, 30 Right, 30 Rear
Scale: Frigate (+10D)
Crew: 2
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 1D
Range:
--Space: 2-12/30/60
--Orbital: 4km-24km/60km/120km
--Atmosphere: 200m-1.2km/3km/6km
Rate of Fire: 1/3
Damage: 8D
40 Laser Batteries
Fire Arc: 10 Front, 10 Left, 10 Right, 10 Rear
Scale: Starship (+6D)
Crew: 2
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Range:
--Space: 1-3/12/25
--Orbital: 2km-6km/24km/50km
--Atmosphere: 100m-300m/1.2km/2.5km
Damage: 7D
10 Tractor Beam Projectors
Fire Arc: 4 Front, 3 Left, 3 Right
Scale: Special*
Crew: 4
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 4D
Range:
--Space: 1-5/15/30
--Orbital: 2km-10km/30km/60km
--Atmosphere: 100m-500m/1.5km/3km
Rate of Fire: 1 (Full Round)
Damage: 6D
*May switch between Destroyer (+12D), Frigate (+10D) and Starship (+6D). Switch takes one round, during which the projector can not be used.
Variants: (Use Above Stats, except as noted)
    TECTOR II
    Description:The Tector II-Class is an attempt to address the Tector's primary weakness: its inability to penetrate planetary shields. The Imperial Department of Military Research had performed extensive research into possible methods of penetrating planetary shields. While several methods showed promise, only one was readily available as an option for a ship the size of the Tector. Individual shields could be analyzed for specific harmonic frequencies in their energy pattern, which could be disrupted by tractor beams tuned to resonate on that frequency. The resulting weapon was called a Resonance Beam Projection Array, and was installed on the ventral bow of the Tector II, at the cost of a 10% reduction in ordnance carrying capacity compared to the Tector I. However, this was considered an acceptable loss for the attendant gain.

    It was by no means a perfect solution; the resonance beam projection array required that the Tector hold a fixed position in low orbit, directly over the shields, as any movement would interrupt the resonance projection and force the ship to restart the process. This fixed position makes the Tector a sitting duck for any anti-orbital defense weaponry, and so it was only used in instances where the Navy had confirmed (or was at least reasonably certain) that the targeted planet had a shield generator but no anti-orbital weaponry. In addition, building up sufficient resonation to completely disrupt a planetary shield could take far longer than other methods. As such, the Tector II-Class is considered an interim step, bridging the gap between the Tector I and the follow-on Torpedo Sphere (which ultimately evolved into the Tyrant-Class Star Monitor).
    Weapons: (In Addition to Stock)
    1 Resonance Beam Projection Array
    Fire Arc: Front
    Crew: 20
    Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
    Fire Control: 2D
    Range:
    --Space: 1-5/15/30
    --Orbital: 2km-10km/30km/60km
    --Atmosphere: 100m-500m/1.5km/3km
    Fire Rate: 1 (Full Round)
    Effect: 6D + 1/round, but can only be used against energy shields.
    Procedure:
      1). Scan Shield to detect energy harmonic frequency. Takes 2D minutes, with a Base Difficulty of Moderate.
      2). Fire Resonance Beam Projector at Shield. Continue firing once per round, with damage increasing at a rate of +1 per round (converting pips to D as appropriate).
      3). Treat damage inflicted as Ionization (Shields Blown) results.
      4). Once the shield is reduced to 0D, the ship may use its other weaponry to engage and disable the planetary shield generator.
    Complication: On a Damage Wild Dice failure, the array suffers power fluctuations and loses 1D in accumulated damage. If the array suffers a Damage Wild Dice failure in the following round, the array suffers a power spike shuts down for 1D rounds, after which the resonance damage roll must start over.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Possible image of the Tector-Class, as I have described her, can be found on page 45 of the Dark Force Rising Sourcebook (note the ISD with the docking bays on the mid-line trench)
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

...Looks like a viable design! Have you had a chance to test it out yet?

...I recall two Star Destroyers captured by the New Republic were fitted with Proton Ordinance--the Dark Empire Sourcebook listed them.

...Anyone been able to track down that thread on the Tector?

...I myself would have used an armament load similar to the Imperial II Star Destroyer, though retaining the Ion Cannons of the earlier Imperial. With no starfighters, the space left over supported the increased armor, extra power generators for the guns, & extra shield generators. I agree with the reduction in speed, & I might give anyone on an opposing ship an easier Sensors roll to detect it in lieu of all that extra power. I can see less troops--mostly for boarding actions--so likely Zero-G Stormtroopers mainly. Besides the odd Lambda-class shuttle (for supplies mainly), I can see mainly Gamma-class assault shuttles (perhaps 4 total--but that's bad enough).
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 21, 2011 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

schnarre wrote:
...Looks like a viable design! Have you had a chance to test it out yet?

...I recall two Star Destroyers captured by the New Republic were fitted with Proton Ordinance--the Dark Empire Sourcebook listed them.


Nope; I just wrote it up yesterday, and I've been tweaking the wording on the description ever since, just so I could get it exactly how I wanted.

As for the Emancipator and the Liberator, I've always felt that those stats were just another Dark Horse / WEG train wreck. The Star Destroyers were supposed to have 10 Tractor Beam Projectors, but somehow those disappeared and were replaced by Proton Torpedo Launchers. If the goal was to use the two destroyers for ambushes and surprise attacks, why get rid of the tractor beams?

schnarre wrote:
...Anyone been able to track down that thread on the Tector?


I just used the article on Wikipedia as a source, and there wasn't much there.

schnarre wrote:
...I myself would have used an armament load similar to the Imperial II Star Destroyer, though retaining the Ion Cannons of the earlier Imperial. With no starfighters, the space left over supported the increased armor, extra power generators for the guns, & extra shield generators. I agree with the reduction in speed, & I might give anyone on an opposing ship an easier Sensors roll to detect it in lieu of all that extra power. I can see less troops--mostly for boarding actions--so likely Zero-G Stormtroopers mainly. Besides the odd Lambda-class shuttle (for supplies mainly), I can see mainly Gamma-class assault shuttles (perhaps 4 total--but that's bad enough).


I went with the variation on the Imperial I because this ship was mentioned as its contemporary of sorts. Essentially, it was a hangarless version of the ISD I, so I just tweaked the Imperial I's armaments slightly towards the bombardment side of things.

My intention with the troops was that the stormtroopers are primarily aboard for internal security. After all, these ships carry some pretty potent strategic-level ordnance; nukes, biological and chemical warfare, and who knows what other nasty things the Empire has come up with... The stormtroopers are available for forced boarding operations, but that is usually the province of superiority units, not bombard. On this ship, the stormtrooper's primary goal is making sure that the contents of the armory are kept safe and secure from all threats, including that of theft. It's similar to how the US Navy uses Marines to guard ships that are either nuclear powered or equipped with nukes. These Marines won't be storming any beaches, because they are there to provide security.

As far as your suggestions on Sensors, I already have a rule for that: Sensors gets a bonus equal to the target's hull dice, plus their shields, if the shields are up. I haven't ironed out all the bugs, because I want to include scale modifiers to reflect smaller targets.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd actually put in a mention that Tectors can carry starfighters, but most often do not. After all, they are a specialized ship (and kind of an evolutionary dead end too), and would always be operating in conjunction with other ships.

After all, the Empire wasn't too good about the concept of fighter cover for their capital ships.
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kemper Boyd wrote:
I'd actually put in a mention that Tectors can carry starfighters, but most often do not. After all, they are a specialized ship (and kind of an evolutionary dead end too), and would always be operating in conjunction with other ships.

After all, the Empire wasn't too good about the concept of fighter cover for their capital ships.


This is very true, but my theory is that, after a few of these ships were lost because they didn't have fighter cover, the Empire was very quick to make sure that they had all the cover they needed (After all, it was bad for the Navy's image for such a large ship to be lost to something so puny as a starfighter attack).

Personally, I've always felt that the Star Destroyers got short shrift on starfighter compliment. Pursuant to another thread, I ran some calculations and estimated that an ISD has roughly 100 times the internal volume of something like a Nimitz-Class aircraft carrier. So why does it carry an even smaller air wing?

IMC, I'm going to start using Star Destroyers with a twist. The ground troop contingent will be reduced from a stormtrooper legion to a reinforced stormtrooper regiment. By the standards of the Imperial Sourcebook, It'll be organized similarly to a line regiment, with the additional battalions providing assault support in the form of the Walker units, armored units, surface artillery, etc. Then I'll take all that space left over and double the size of the air wing (i.e. 144 starfighters instead of 72).
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Except that the Imperial Doctrine doesn't look to small fighters for the solution. They turn to the Lancer-class Frigate to perform starfighters screening.

It's one of the major themes of Star Wars...

Empire = big, monolithic solutions, group-think, oppression
Rebel Alliance = the triumph of the hero, the individual
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Except that the Imperial Doctrine doesn't look to small fighters for the solution. They turn to the Lancer-class Frigate to perform starfighters screening.

It's one of the major themes of Star Wars...

Empire = big, monolithic solutions, group-think, oppression
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This is true, but a Lancer doesn't make good escort ship for TIE fighters, and the TIE complement on this ship is designed for purposes other than defending their mothership. The squadron of TIE/ln fighters is primarily intended to provide escort for the TIE/fc and TIE/rc ships, which are, in turn, utilized to aid the ship in precision strikes by providing targeting information.

My concept is that, if the Tector needed to perform a surgical bombardment, it would deploy a group of six fighters; 2 TIE/fc for target designation, 1 TIE/rc for reconnaissance (and also to act as the fighter team's field control), plus 3 TIE/ln for escort duty. Standard deployment would be one TIE/ln escorting the TIE/rc at a moderate distance as it used its sensors to coordinate the actions of the two TIE/fc, which would be operating closer in, each with another TIE/ln in close attendance.

Of course, the TIE/ln's would be available for intercept duty in defense of the ship should the need arise, but that wouldn't be their primary mission.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schnarre wrote:
...The Tector is basically an Imperial without the fighter capacity or any other frills. It was specially designed for Capital Ship Combat, so the craft had heavier armor & more firepower--though considering the limited number of Capital ships among the Rebellion, the Tector is a bit over-specialized.

...If memory serves someone actually did D20 stats for that craft on the WOTC site--not sure if it's still accessible, but if so it could probably be converted easily enough.


Reminds me of a prototype star destroyer that I designed for an adventure many years ago. If I find the papers I can post the info if you like...
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