cunning_kindred
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| Quote: | | Which is strange since the power description for it's difficulties specifically mentions "Modified by proximity"... |
As I said before, Force Lightning does the same thing. I think with telekinesis it kind of makes a little sense because something could be in line-of-sight and still quite distant (and hence modifiers could still apply). From the surface of a planet, the moon is in line of sight for example. With magnify senses ships could be in line of sight in orbit or leaving orbit. From a ship you might have line of sight to other worlds. It is defintiely a limit but modified by proximity could still be pertinent from time to time. |
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Ankhanu
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| Posted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| cunning_kindred wrote: | One off powers or artefacts of incredible power which the story says the villain looked high and low for (and presumably had his own adventures) in order to attain are fine because the players know that if they had the chance to use the same device I would grant them the same power. I'm just not going to let them use it if I can avoid it.
But if my players felt I had done something that they would never ever be alllowed to do and all it cost me was a Force Point I think they would rightly feel that I had stolen control of the game from them. The players are the center of the game, not the NPCs, after all.
The reason I said cheshire's idea seemed reasonable was that you were spending a Force Point not to have to think about it or to assume some minor favourable circumstance. There must be a way that someone could do what this Dark Jedi is doing - even if it involves a bit of good fortune. But if I honestly thought it was impossible without fudging the rules I wouldn't let the Dark Jedi do it. |
I don't think, in this circumstance, that the rules deny the possibility of the Dark Jedi managing to do exactly what ZzaphodD wants him to... the difficulties are extremely high, sure, but with the favour of the Wild Die, it's within any Force User's reach. Sure, it's unlikely to work for a character actually making rolls, but it's not impossible. Where allowing it to happen will (hopefully) make the game more interesting and further the plot, I don't see why the GM shouldn't just go ahead and do it. It's not a blatent affront to the rules, it's just fudging statistics.
Re: Bolded passage:
The previous paragraph partially addresses this, but I'd like to go over a couple other points related to this, particularly the last sentence.
Yeah, obviously, the game should be about the PCs; they are the stars of the movie, so to speak. That said, not everything that happens around them should be to their benefit; sometimes (often) the unexpected setback, the freak occurrence, the bad guy winning or getting the upper hand, despite the odds, makes the PC experience better. Even if it's not the characters' benefit, advancing or enhancing the plot should make the game better.
Of course, one must be careful to balance the unpleasant happenstance with occasional rewards, and more importantly, a more fulfilling story.
Go ahead, antagonize the players... that's part of the GMs job. Without antithesis the game is dull. Make them feel like they have something to lose... make them feel like they're going to accomplish something getting out of a dire situation... make them feel like the big baddie is really a big baddie. If you have to bend/ignore rules and give them setbacks to do this, do it. Set yourself free, and your players will be free to really get into their characters.
| garhkal wrote: | | ZzaphodD wrote: | | garhkal wrote: | | Quote: | | Although many house rule it that way, I'm not sure that BTB Telekinesis definitely needs to be line-of-sight. |
BTB telekinesis is modified by proximity, so you DON'T have to have line of sight. |
"The target must be in sight of the Jedi"
Page 147 2ed Revised Rulebook |
Which is strange since the power description for it's difficulties specifically mentions "Modified by proximity"... |
Not that strange... "line of sight" can stretch a very long way. I mean, I can be standing hundreds of km away and still have line of sight to a mountain top off in the distance... I can *see* it, but influencing it over that distance is another thing altogether. (Ah, I see Cunning addressed this, ah well)
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garhkal
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I'll give ya that..
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