Help wanted for a campaign :)

[denderan marajain]

Hello Everyone



I need your help again

Iam just about to design a campaign for my group and i have just come tot he point that i have a few questions



Unfortunately i can not upload PDF so i have to write it down
You will find my previous work at the end oft he article



Date is about 3 months after Endor (Outer/Mid Rim)
80 Systems, 44 Inhabited



The Players should support the rebel cell mit their Battlegroups until a larger Fleet arrives to take the sector definitiveley. The Sector ist he crossroad oft wo major trade routes and the entrance into the Mid Rim. I give the players absolute freedom in what they want to do (Sandbox)



My Questions are the following



What defenses (Space, Ground etc.) should have planets
How big, in your opinion, should be a sector fleet
How big, in your opinion, should be an active rebel cell?






Thanks in advance for your valuable help!!!!



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Sector Fleet (Imperial):

1 Battlestar-Class Carrier – Flagship (108 Starfighter)
1 Venator-Class Star Destroyer (192 Starfighter)
4 Harrow-Class Star Destroyer (144 Starfighter)
20 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser (240 Starfighter)
10 Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser (240 Starfighter)
20 Loronar Strike-Class Cruiser (240 Starfighter)
2 Sienar Fleets Immobilizer-Class Interdictor (48 Starfighter)
22 Lancer-Class Frigate
3 Tagge Industries-Class Ion Frigate (36 Starfighter)
10 Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer (216 Starfighter)



Total: 93 Capital Ships - 1488 Starfighter (124 Squadrons)






System (Capital)

Defense:

3 Golan I Space Platforms
Kuat Drive Yard’s Shipyard Mark III
Evakmar Docking/Repair Station
XQ 3 Space Station
2 Carrack-class Light Cruiser
2 Bayonet Cruiser
10 IR-3F Patrol Ships
4 Marauder Corvettes
12 Squadrons Starfighter (Ships / Space Stations)
6 Squadron Starfighter (Planet)
In System Patrol Ships (Guardian Light Cruiser, Law Light Patrol Craft)
Ground Weapons (6 Turbolaser – 6D, 4 Medium Ion Cannon 6D,
12 Double Heavy Laser Cannon – Starfighter Scale – 6D)
Planetary Shield (4 Base Shield Generator – 6D in all 4 Fire Arcs)
Imperial Drone Mark I (200)









System (Tourism)



Defense:
XQ 3 Space Station
1 Carack-class Light Cruiser
2 IR-3F Patrol Ships
1 Marauder Corvette
6 Squadrons TIE Fighter (Planet and Space Station)
In System Patrol Ships (Guardian Light Cruiser, Law Light Patrol Craft)




System ( Production, Research, Mining)


Defense:
2 Golan I Space Platforms
Evakmar Docking/Repair Station
XQ 3 Space Station
2 Carrack-class Light Cruiser
2 Bayonet Cruiser
5 IR-3F Patrol Ships
2 Marauder Corvettes
12 Squadrons Starfighter (Ships / Space Stations)
6 Squadron Starfighter (Planet)
In System Patrol Ships (Guardian Light Cruiser, Law Light Patrol Craft)
Ground Weapons (4 Turbolaser – 6D, 2 Medium Ion Cannon 6D,
6 Double Heavy Laser Cannon – Starfighter Scale – 6D)
Imperial Drone Mark I (100)








System (Agriculture)

Defense:
XQ 2 Space Station
2 IR-3F Patrol Ships
1 Bayonet-Class Cruiser
6 Squadrons TIE Fighter (Planet and Space Station)
In System Patrol Ships (Guardian Light Cruiser, Law Light Patrol Craft)








System (Shipyard – secret and uninhabited)

Defense:
2 Golan I Platform
Mobile Mining Facility / Shipyard Mark IV#
Evakmar Docking/Repair Station
Imperial Drone Mark I (100)
Golan Point Defense Station Mark I (10)
Parts of Battlegroup I (Resolute, Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer, 2 Lancer and 3 Ion Frigates
In System Patrol Ships (Guardian Light Cruiser, Law Light Patrol Craft )
2 Carrack-Class Light Cruiser
5 IR-3F Patrol Ships









Battlegroup I (Rapid Response Task Force):

Commander: Admiral Garrik Trier
Ships:

Battlestar-Class Carrier Tyrannt – Flagship
Venator-Class Star Destroyer Resolute
Harrow-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
Immobilizer-Class Interdictor
3 Tagge Industries-Class Ion Frigate Silence/X/Y
4 Lancer-Class Frigates

Battlegroup II:

Commander: Vice-Admiral
Ships:

Harrow-Class Star Destroyer
Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Lancer-Class Frigates
Immobilizer-Class Interdictor

Battlegroup III:

Commander:
Ships:

Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Lancer-Class Frigates




Battlegroup IV:

Commander: Fleet Captain
Ships:

Harrow-Class Star Destroyer
Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Lancer-Class Frigates

Battlegroup V:

Commander:
Ships:

Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Lancer-Class Frigates



Battlegroup VI:

Commander: Fleet Captain
Ships:

Harrow-Class Star Destroyer
Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Lancer-Class Frigates

Battlegroup VII:

Commander:
Ships:

Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Lancer-Class Frigates




Battlegroup VIII:

Commander:
Ships:

Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Lancer-Class Frigates



Battlegroup IX:

Commander:
Ships:

Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Lancer-Class Frigates



Battlegroup X:

Commander:
Ships:

Cantwell-Class Star Destroyer
2 Loronar-Class Strike Cruiser
2 Chariot-Class Star Cruiser
Dreadnaught-Class Heavy Cruiser
2 Lancer-Class Frigates



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Rebell Cell:



Ships:

Resistence (Bulk Cruiser – Flagship)
6 Corellian Corvette
4 Trade Federation Missile Frigate
Lucrehulk Freighter
3 Techno Union Starship Armed Transport
5 Modified Class VI Bulk Freighter
Diverse Light Freighter (ca. 35)
5 Squadrons Z-95 Headhunter
5 Squadrons V-19 Torrent
7 Squadrons Y-Wing
5 Squadrons T-Wing
6 Squadrons Droid Starfighter
6 Squadrons Droid Starfighter Scarab

20 Capital Ships – 408 Starfighter (34 Squadrons)



Ground Troops:

3.000 Resistence Fighter
50 Rebel Commandos (Sabotage)

[evilnerf]

Honestly? I'd half just about all of that. There is a lot of unnecessary clutter there. (I mean, is any campaign possibly going to visit 44 planets?) From a storytelling perspective, less is more. I'd turn the flag ship into a single Star destroyer (one that the players can get familiar with and learn to fear) with maybe 4 or 5 supporting capitols that patrol the planets. I'd also decrease the amount of Golans. The Capitol should have one maybe. Even coruscant only had what, 3 I think? And it seems like you want this to be a backwater.)

I'd start the rebel group with no more than 3 Capitol ships and have part of the plot be the players trying to get more.

If you can get your hands on it, the Darkstryder Campaign is similar to what you are doing. Might be a good idea to take a look and see what they did.
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[denderan marajain]

Hello Evilnerf !



Thanks for your answer but i think you have misunderstood a few things

The scenario is a sandbox and is intended to allow the players to decide everthing freely

I only work on all the planets, whether mining or tourism etc. the defense oft he respective system but this does not mean the players have to visit them all.



For this reason, there are ships that are firmly integrated into the system and on the other hand there ist the Sector fleet and for a sector with 80 systems, 6 capital ships would simply not enough



In Addition the rebels are currently conquering Territory (The scenario take place 3 months after Endor)



In my Star Wars universe, i have to say, there is fare more defens of immobile nature as this causes less cost. That is why Coruscant has more than 3 Golan Space Stations

The rebel cell has built up a small fleet for years

And my players already have battlegroups. We are currently playing Truce at Bakura


Their task will be to pave the way for a further fleet to conquer this sector.

I hope I could make it clearer for you?







But I am always happy about constructive criticism

[denderan marajain]

Does no one really have anything to say?


I think this is a real pity since I have very much put on the collected knowledge of the forum

Maybe someone has something to say

[Zarn]

I have plenty to say. However, building a sector the way you seem to prefer to do it, isn't really something I have much input on.

If you want to leverage this board by constructing a sector, go look over in the Locations part of this board. Grab the various planets that have been posted there. Make a sector out of them. See where you need moons, both dead and live ones. Consider rolling 'placeholders' from GG8 Scouts.

And personally, I too think you're way overshooting your sector fleet. In addition to that, if you want a Sith BBEG or Dragon running around, I would suggest having a unique ship in your fleet. Perhaps something like a Sith Battleship, maybe a Derriphan-class, or perhaps something like an archaic ship like from Xim the Despot's era, or maybe a Hapan Supernova Battle Cruiser.

[denderan marajain]

@Zarn

[CRMcNeill]

BBEG = Big Bad Evil Guy.

I'm struck by the complete absence of ISDs in an Imperial Sector Group just after Endor. The Imp series is the mainstay in an Empire that values conformity. You've replaced it with the Battlestar, a blatant crossover, and the Harrow, which is essentially a Victory ISD as rendered by Dark Horse comics. The rest of your ships seem selected without regard to the deeper aspects of mission requirements or their actual backstory.

I'm a fan of the Sector Group Organization chapter in the ImpSB, and while I don't think it got everything right, it does provide a useful framework upon which to build. What you have here basically disregards that structure in favor of your own view of Sector organization and personal preference in ship types.

My input is contingent on the Sector Group in the ImpSB being the baseline standard to which all Sector groups adhere as best they can. If you feel differently, anything I have to say would not bear on what you are trying to do.
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[denderan marajain]

[evilnerf]

I think the reason you aren't getting the answers you want is because frankly? There is no right answer. There are tons and tons of examples of sectors having little to no defenses, and the planets that do have a lot of defenses such as Kuat or Coruscant are incredibly vague on hard numbers,

You should figure out what you want out of the defenses story-wise and work backwards from there. What everyone here is trying to do is help you figure out what story you are trying to tell and best represent it,

Continuity wise? Your defenses could be exactly what you posted, could be half the number, or could be twice the number and you would be just as accurate, it's a big galaxy and no two sectors are exactly the same,
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[CRMcNeill]

Personally, I take issue with the whole "your sector can be whatever you want it to be" mentality. There are certain key facts about Star Wars that make it Star Wars, and one of those is that the Empire is really big on uniformity and conformity, with ships, fighters and troops as close to identical as possible. So, saying that all of the other sectors conform to this model, EXCEPT that one right over there, throws off the whole premise of an authoritarian Empire ruling everything from the top. An Empire that permits individualization loses a key factor of the Empire itself.

So yes, you can twist yourself into knots explaining why your sector fleet is equipped with MonCal cruisers and X-Wings, but at that point, you've crossed the line from Star Wars into somebody's alternate universe fan fiction Star Wars. If that's the universe you want to game in, you're on your own.
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"No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.

The CRMcNeill Stat/Rule Index

[Whill]

[CRMcNeill]

[Zarn]

An active Rebel cell would likely be 2 - 5 people. Almost all clandestine cell-type organizations have held to that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clandestine_cell_system

There are several ways how you could build a Rebel cell with many more 'members' - for instance, if a skilled Rebel slicer was working in a Droid repair center, the slicer might embed code in any Droid's personality matrix - essentially making them an asset for the Rebels.

Another way to have a Rebel 'cell' of a larger size might be if you could appropriate the necessary ships and have in effect a self-contained element that would travel the sector and steal or blow up (or both!) whatever they might get their hands on. Say, a Gozanti, and maybe a fuel tanker and a repair and manufacture ship. You'd likely need a couple of good slicers for faking BoSS records as well.

For Rebels, as opposed to the Alliance or the New Republic, the point is asymmetrical warfare. You don't oppose blasters with blasters - the New Order way outguns anything you might do except if you really concentrate your forces (and you don't want to do that) - but what you might do would be fast-moving sabotage and shock-and-awe (rapid dominance) operations where you're fighting against the OPFOR's will to fight and their logistical train rather than the OPFOR itself.

In the New Order's case, that's likely to be the officers - if you make the officers paranoid through striking high-value targets, they might get reactive and spread their forces thin to protect as much as possible - leading to possibly being able to defeat them in detail.

There's some precedent for replacing entire elements in a sector fleet's standard elements. This is mostly when a sector is capable of producing certain ships and so on in some numbers. One example would be the Corporate Sector's use of the IRD as opposed to TIEs, or the production and use of the Chir'daki Ugly. And, of course, any BBEG or Dragon needs a personalized ship - this IS Star Wars, after all.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDragon

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBad

If you want a Mandalorian Dragon or BBEG, you might want to use some Mandalorian ships as a flagship and honor guard. If you want a Sith Dragon or BBEG, you might want to use older ships like I outlined before. Krennic had some unique ships that were assigned to him. An elite force should also be named - perhaps not like the 181st or the 123rd Nightstalkers, but something of that caliber. Or pick one from the list, and outfit the squadron accordingly.

The Pentastar Alignment might be something to pattern after, too.

It's still unclear for me how you've made 'a sector' - I would assume a sector might be something like 15-20 major systems, each with planets and moons, and perhaps a couple dozen minor systems all mapped. I haven't seen a list of neither major systems, nor planets and/or moons, or even a list of system primaries for your sector.

[evilnerf]

[The Brain]

Basically how much hardware a planetary system fields can be summed up to two main factors. 1. How wealthy is it, 2. How militant is the government? Basically the old U.S./ USSR divide. Both had first rate large military organizations. With the U.S. having the bigger economy able to support theirs, while the USSR had a smaller economic output but the government was willing to expend a larger chunk of it on military expenditures.
As for non-standardized equipment the easiest explanations are either acquisitions made via the black market or captured spoils of war seized and put into service e.g. the huge amounts military hardware Nazi Germany captured early in WW II and reissued.