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CRMcNeill
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So, by that logic, my car is my slave, too. Good thing I'm a "benevolent master."
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Whill
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You guys and your cold hard logic. Regardless of their status as machines or non-biological servants, R2-D2 and C-3PO are beloved characters. I merely meant to convey that it was an interesting consideration. My game addresses it, but there are no definitive conclusions. Sometimes, asking the questions and presenting different viewpoints is just fun. I'm rather dumbfounded that anyone could be put off by a simple nerd conversation about the personification of heavily personified artificial beings in a fictional space opera franchise.
In my SWU, most everywhere in the galaxy droids are property and treated as such despite any intelligence, sentience and personality they may have. I'm huge into the anti-technology theme of Star Wars. The only tech that gets any possible special plot considerations are PC-owned droids, starships and lightsabers.
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Dredwulf60
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| Whill wrote: | You guys and your cold hard logic. Regardless of their status as machines or non-biological servants, R2-D2 and C-3PO are beloved characters. I merely meant to convey that it was an interesting consideration. My game addresses it, but there are no definitive conclusions. Sometimes, asking the questions and presenting different viewpoints is just fun. I'm rather dumbfounded that anyone could be put off by a simple nerd conversation about the personification of heavily personified artificial beings in a fictional space opera franchise.
In my SWU, most everywhere in the galaxy droids are property and treated as such despite any intelligence, sentience and personality they may have. I'm huge into the anti-technology theme of Star Wars. The only tech that gets any possible special plot considerations are PC-owned droids, starships and lightsabers. |
Agreed. My portion of the previous discussion was in the vein of the tpoic; 'A bit of Theory about droids.'
Poking around a bit in the books and found that WEG did address the subject way back when. There were a few organizations mentioned that fight for the emancipation of mechanicals.
But the flavor of the writing gives the impression that they are generally viewed as the SW equivalent of whacked out hippies, annoying tree-huggers and disturbed eco-terrorists. lol. |
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Dredwulf60
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | So, by that logic, my car is my slave, too. Good thing I'm a "benevolent master." |
Do you cuss out your GPS?
Personally, I've been known to be pretty verbally abusive to my automobile.  |
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Naaman
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Anakin was a slave proper, and 3P0 was built to "help mom."
"Yes, well, if droids could think, there'd be none of us here."
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garhkal
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| Dredwulf60 wrote: |
Poking around a bit in the books and found that WEG did address the subject way back when. There were a few organizations mentioned that fight for the emancipation of mechanicals.
But the flavor of the writing gives the impression that they are generally viewed as the SW equivalent of whacked out hippies, annoying tree-huggers and disturbed eco-terrorists. lol. |
Too true.. There are some droid rights movements over the place, but usually they are local to a system/planet, rarely over a full sector..
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JironGhrad
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | So, by that logic, my car is my slave, too. Good thing I'm a "benevolent master." |
| Whill wrote: | | You guys and your cold hard logic. Regardless of their status as machines or non-biological servants, R2-D2 and C-3PO are beloved characters. |
So what about cars that exhibit human traits? Are they characters?
True story: several years ago, I needed a car with 4 doors, so I traded my 2-door Monte Carlo Z34 to my father for his Oldsmobile Aurora. He'd bought it new and it'd always run great for him. It would periodically act up when my mom drove it, although it worked fine for her when she ferried the car to me. He loaned it to my sister-in-law once; it promptly broke all the wheel lugs and a tire nearly came off (she stopped just in time before the last one sheered off).
It worked perfectly for me, until I started loaning it to my pregnant wife to drive to work. It got cranky for her and would act up from time to time, until three days before my son was born, it threw a rod through the block. Figuring (wrongly as it ultimately turned out) that $1300 for a new engine would be cheaper than a new car, I got it repaired. It was fine for 2 months, but the first week my wife took it back to work... broke the front driver tire-rod. Then a month after that, started leaking coolant.
That car is a character... still runs fine for me all the time. But damn, is it ever a misogynist. |
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garhkal
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Lol.. i have heard some similar stories, where a car worked ok for person A, but always had issues with anyone else.. But never to that extend of almost causing an accident (with that wheel almost sheering off)..
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| That was actually the 2nd car I got from my dad that was quirky. The first was an old '88 Bonneville SSE that wouldn't start when the roads were unsafe. It was really strange, I got stuck at a g/f parents' house with it one time. Her dad went out with me and we couldn't get it to start (he checked all the connections under the hood). Snow stopped early the next morning, I went out with her dad and it turned right over. |
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So shouldn't IT have character points and force points?
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| garhkal wrote: | | So shouldn't IT have character points and force points? |
All the better to supplement those damage resist rolls. |
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CRMcNeill
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This is a bit off-topic, since it applies to ships or other unique pieces of equipment and not droids, but since you brought it up...
I allow characters to transfer CP to ships or other unique pieces of equipment, such as signature weapons. In-universe, this takes the form of performing maintenance, and, in general, "loving" it. In the case of a ship, like the Falcon, both Han and Chewie could transfer CP to the ship, which would, in turn, give the ship itself a pool of CP to use at critical moments (specifically damage rolls, but there are other possible, critical-moment applications).
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Whill
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| Whill wrote: | | I would say the Millennium Falcon is a character. |
| garhkal wrote: | | So shouldn't IT have character points and force points? |
I meant it's a character in the literary sense (in the films), not necessarily in the RPG.
HAN (to ship): You hear me, baby? Hold together!
HAN: Yeah, I just got a funny feeling. Like I'm not gonna see her again.
However, the Falcon was said to have droid brains which could have personality, and in my game droids can have CPs but not FPs. So the ship possibly could have CPs in that respect, if it rolls for any of its own actions like power control.
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MrNexx
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| Whill wrote: | | Whill wrote: | | I would say the Millennium Falcon is a character. |
| garhkal wrote: | | So shouldn't IT have character points and force points? |
I meant it's a character in the literary sense (in the films), not necessarily in the RPG.
HAN (to ship): You hear me, baby? Hold together!
HAN: Yeah, I just got a funny feeling. Like I'm not gonna see her again.
However, the Falcon was said to have droid brains which could have personality, and in my game droids can have CPs but not FPs. So the ship possibly could have CPs in that respect, if it rolls for any of its own actions like power control. |
Exactly where I was going to go... so far as we know, the Falcon IS aware, and has several droid brains running it. 3P0 talks to it, and R2. Now, though, I'm thinking of the game mechanics necessary to include ship-droids as characters.
(Really, I think this is broadly a case of "Lucas didn't put as much thought into this as a bunch of nerds would", but that doesn't make the nerding any less fun)
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