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| TauntaunScout wrote: | | Whill wrote: | | That's because they have the full Lucasfilm archive at their disposal. All that stuff still existed so they are free to use it. They didn't have to make it so transportation of the stuff was the only thing that came out of the show's budget. |
Yeah. And it helps recreate the vibe of the OT, when they were strapped for time and money so they found ways to reuse EVERYTHING. |
Like the panels below, which showed up all over the first film (Corellian Corvette, Docking Bay 94, Millennium Falcon, Death Star, etc.):
I love their reusing the same bits in different ways to emphasize sameness.
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So I'm working on my new starship damage and just wrote the repulsorlift generator damage part. That lead me to think of one reason that Slave-1 might do vertical lift-off and landing—It has no repulsorlift system, which is what ships use to hover and move slowly in the presence of gravity. To land, maybe the Slave-1 pilot just slowly dials down the main sublight drive since it lands on its "back." Most ships can't land on their aft engines so need repulsorlifts to slowly lower themselves. As previously mentioned here, the TRoS novelization awkwardly added a previously unmentioned repulsorlift problem to the Falcon to try to help explain its skid landing on the ocean moon. Was the Salve-1 ever shown to hover? I may not be remembering it.
Of course, I do not feel this would be a good explanation anyway, because still, why would spaceships in Star Wars be intentionally designed to not have a repulsorlift and require the ship to land on its back?
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Darklighter79, you're right. That second video of the ship landing on Geonosis clearly shows the ship reorienting itself for its 'vertical' landing with hovering, so that is unmistakable use of repulsorlift technology. (That is also the best explanation for Kamino, but Geonosis is more obvious.) AotC is the prequel film I watch the least of the five we have.
Well, I tried to help the Slave-1 make slightly more sense and failed. Stupid ship.
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As for the last episode of the second season: there's a bonus after end credits. 
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Yes there is and ZOMG.
How do they keep making this show so good? I'd hate everything about it on paper. In practice I just keep rewatching every episode in amazement. It is such a fun show. My 5 year old daughter watched the last half of the episode on my lap, and I could feel her body getting taught with suspense at the end. She kept trying to guess who that hooded saviour was: "It's not Ashoka Tano, she doesn't have a green lightsaber. It might be Luke he has that kind of belt. It's not Anakin he's dead..."
She's pretty psyched about the wide array of women in it. I am gonna hafta buy more action figures soon, prolly. She hasn't really been following the show so she's blindsided by them. But she's watching a bit of the "Polygon" Clone Wars and knows some of the characters. She's in utter hero worship of "real people Ahsoka Tano" played by Rosario Dawson.
She kinda destroys the magic though. Cause she also spends the whole episode guessing how the SFX were done. "That Darktrooper's probably a person in a robot costume" and "Maybe they painted a background of that spaceship on a giant tv screen, and the people are standing in front of it". She's very into exploring the line between fantasy and reality right now.
I thought Luke looked right, and sounded wrong... which is weird cause his sound WAS right and his look WAS wrong. Oh well.
Fortuna morphing into a Hutt-like entity, as if he's a victim of some HR Geigeresque process. And he had his Kenner accessory! Amazing. Also Boba's theme is strangely jolly. Utterly amzing. |
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While watching the stinger after the credits, my son called out, "Watch out! You're standing over the Rancor Pit!" 
Skywalker ex machina! As soon as the X-wing appeared on the screen, I called it that it was Luke and Artoo. Even after the green lightsaber, my family still didn't believe me until the saw his hands (right gloved, left ungloved). He didn't look or sound perfect, but I thought they did a pretty good job with him.
Well my question of what is Luke doing in the decade+ between RotJ and whenever he started his own Jedi Academy is partially answered. He was training Grogu. Still no explanation on what Luke was doing for 5-6 years after Yoda told him he was the last of the Jedi (except Ahsoka by retcon) and that Luke needed to pass on what he had learned.
Still no explanation for why Ahsoka was in the Alliance but never told Luke Skywalker that Vader was his father. Still no explanation for why she was not helping Luke build a new Jedi order after RotJ. Still no explanation for why she didn't send Mando to the New Republic to deliver Grogu to Luke directly. But maybe they will try to explain these things in her spin-off show. Maybe Luke and Grogu will make an appearance there.
Anyway, since Luke was the last Jedi that Snoke had to hunt down and kill (except Leia by retcon) to prevent the return of the Jedi Order, that must mean that Kylo Ben murdered Grogu!
And Moff Gideon already got what he wanted from Grogu, his high "m-count" blood to help bring order back to the galaxy. So Grogu's blood helps make Snoke and resurrect Palpatine. Delightful.
So Biba Fortuna survived Jabba's sail barge explosion, just to get killed by Boba. And Boba Fett, who is a giant mixed bag of continuity conflicts, now becomes a crime lord in a spin-off series (I just have no words)...
This whole season was a major shark jump and the main purpose of it was to sell fans on spin-off shows (we're up to three spin-of series at last count). Sad that this show became backdoor pilot vehicle. This season made me feel like I was watching an '80s cartoon with the true purpose of selling toys. This is giant entertainment corporation Star Wars. I'm jealous of all of you who love this season despite the heavy commercial aspect. I feel it was soured by bringing the rest of the franchise into it.
But the Mandalorian plot was left unresolved. I'm actually looking forward to the possibility of the show being about the return of Mandalore, and maybe no Jedi/Force toddler involvement.
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I am a pretty harsh critic for SW and I like it.
As soon as my favorite character said in a flat tone "Oh, great, a single X-Wing, we're saved..." I knew it had to be Luke. Minor gripe: I wish he'd worn his flight suit. The helmet and tinted visor woulda helped with the face looking right, and, I hated how magically, for some reason, flight suits weren't needed after the OT. Luke ALWAYS wore one but Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Rey NEVER do. Wtf?
The plot is terrible. It's barely more developed than The A-Team when it comes to plot. Yet it works. Each episode and the greater plot arcs stand up just fine to me. I'd rather have simple A-Team plots that are driven by the protagonists desire, than convoluted MaGuffin within a Contrivance within an Author Fiat.
The closer it treads to the sequel trilogy the more dangerous this game is going to become though. Here's hoping they don't ruin it by making me think too much about the PT or ST.
I don't worry about continuity too much unless it's really big and glaring (which I guess is subjective). Hindsight being 20/20 the OT didn't shoot for good continuity. As a child I was always confused by it, and the deleted scenes in SWTJ. I think people make too much ado about Yoda saying Luke is the last Jedi. It's not that he's the last non-evil Force sensitive person. He's the last member of a specific knightly order. "The last, of the Order of the Garter, will you be" is not the same thing as "The last, combatant trained as an armored lancer, will you be."
It's possible this series can redeem, to some extent, the bookend trilogies. Perhaps they can take some source material from them, twist it around a bit, and come out with something awesome. Not that it'll get me to rewatch the bookends, but, it'll be the silver lining to them.
Maybe now my daughter will run around pretending to be Bo Katan and Ahsoka Tano instead of Rey and Padme. I let her watch most of Chapter 13. She is absolutely in love with Dawson's "Ahsoka-Tano-The-Real-People" (as opposed to the cartoons). |
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Skywalker ex machina! As soon as the X-wing appeared on the screen, I called it that it was Luke and Artoo. Even after the green lightsaber, my family still didn't believe me until the saw his hands (right gloved, left ungloved). He didn't look or sound perfect, but I thought they did a pretty good job with him.
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Deus Ex X-Wing? Deus X-Wing machina? Gimmie a minute, I'll land on something good.
I've kind of come to terms with the fact that this season is about getting to see faces of the broader Star Wars universe. It wasn't what I loved about season one. But knowing that this is the direction of season 2, I was willing to say, "Meh, I'm on board. It's just an adventure TV show." And I'm kind of glad I got to that point before I saw the finale or I might have hated it. But, I was pretty excited that the last big name they brought in was Luke.
The Darksaber was unresolved, but I'm guessing they'll pick that part up somewhere in Season 3... somehow. Either that or we'll get a Bo Katan TV show in the future. They're spinning everything else off, so it could happen.
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| TauntaunScout wrote: | | As soon as my favorite character said in a flat tone "Oh, great, a single X-Wing, we're saved..." I knew it had to be Luke. Minor gripe: I wish he'd worn his flight suit. The helmet and tinted visor woulda helped with the face looking right, and, I hated how magically, for some reason, flight suits weren't needed after the OT. Luke ALWAYS wore one but Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Rey NEVER do. Wtf? |
Be even more awesome if he had the blast shield down and couldn't see a thing, which would also work for concealing who he is in the scenes where he makes like Vader in Rogue One against much tougher opponents. |
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I'll admit it, we screamed! we cried! we cheered!
I was not a fan of the first several episodes of Season 2. Too many fetch-quests. The last three episodes were amazing. The last 3 minutes of the last episode was emotionally satisfying.
When the X-wing showed up I was like "???"
When the cloaked figure showed up I was like "....they wouldn't...."
When the lightsaber came out (in black & white) I was like "....they did??!??"
When we see the hilt, belt buckle, and gloved hand I was like "....THEY ARE DOING THIS!!!!!" But I was wondering HOW they would portray Luke?
When I saw the de-aging, I cried. Mark Hamill got his proper sendoff.
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| TauntaunScout wrote: | | Minor gripe: I wish he'd worn his flight suit. The helmet and tinted visor woulda helped with the face looking right, and, I hated how magically, for some reason, flight suits weren't needed after the OT. Luke ALWAYS wore one but Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Rey NEVER do. Wtf? |
I always presumed that the main purpose of the flight suit was in the case of a loss of atmosphere or the ship's destruction, the collar opened up and something magnetic connected the suit with the helmet all the way around (thus including the visor so covering the face) and the suit sealed up and pressurized, thus becoming an instant space suit. And the helmet of course protected their head from being banged around, which is really important in combat. X-wings and the Jedi fighters in the PT maintained atmospheres inside. Flight suites aren't absolutely needed to fly the ships, but in not wearing them, they are choosing to forgo safety precautions like Earth motorists not wearing set belts and cyclists not wearing helmets. Perhaps overconfidence in their piloting abilities was their weakness? It is a stupid risk not to take these safety precautions. At least Obi-Wan was never shown doing that again after he almost died in space in the Battle of Coruscant... but maybe I'm speaking too soon since he is getting a Disney+ series too.
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| TauntaunScout wrote: | I am a pretty harsh critic for SW...
The plot is terrible. It's barely more developed than The A-Team when it comes to plot. Yet it works. Each episode and the greater plot arcs stand up just fine to me. I'd rather have simple A-Team plots that are driven by the protagonists desire, than convoluted MaGuffin within a Contrivance within an Author Fiat.
The closer it treads to the sequel trilogy the more dangerous this game is going to become though. Here's hoping they don't ruin it by making me think too much about the PT or ST.
I don't worry about continuity too much unless it's really big and glaring (which I guess is subjective). Hindsight being 20/20 the OT didn't shoot for good continuity. As a child I was always confused by it, and the deleted scenes in SWTJ. I think people make too much ado about Yoda saying Luke is the last Jedi. It's not that he's the last non-evil Force sensitive person. He's the last member of a specific knightly order. "The last, of the Order of the Garter, will you be" is not the same thing as "The last, combatant trained as an armored lancer, will you be."
It's possible this series can redeem, to some extent, the bookend trilogies. Perhaps they can take some source material from them, twist it around a bit, and come out with something awesome. Not that it'll get me to rewatch the bookends, but, it'll be the silver lining to them.
Maybe now my daughter will run around pretending to be Bo Katan and Ahsoka Tano instead of Rey and Padme. I let her watch most of Chapter 13. She is absolutely in love with Dawson's "Ahsoka-Tano-The-Real-People" (as opposed to the cartoons). |
Live action Ahsoka is far superior to the animated iterations. It is refreshing this show had multiple female characters part of the action, which, like Padme in the first two prequels, were riffing off of Leia grabbing Luke's gun and blasting stormtroopers during her rescue, and Leia jumping on a speeder bike to prevent scout troopers from reporting their presence on the Sanctuary Moon. Awesome your daughter is getting into these characters.
It's not that the OT did not shoot for good continuity. It's rather that Lucas changed his mind on plot direction and felt it improved the movie he was currently making. Even if Lucas had the idea that Vader might be Luke's father before ANH, there is a lot of evidence indicating that he firmly decided no for ANH then change his mind for TESB and had to retcon it. This retcon is really what the whole rest of the franchise was based on today. And the "other" Yoda spoke of in TESB, Luke's long-lost twin sister, was originally planed to be a new character not introduced until the conceived third trilogy, but in 1980 (early preproduction for RotJ) he decided to chronologically wrap up the story in RotJ so Leia was made the sister to not have to introduce a new character, and resolve the love triangle plot thread. We have proof of this and Lucas does not even deny it. I think there is an important distinction between it all mostly fitting together from a certain point of view and just carelessness with continuity, which the franchise is rife with today.
And I never interpreted Yoda's comment to Luke as meaning he was the last good Force user anyway. In my 4-year 'Blue Vader 2e campaign,' it started before TESB and went on to two years after RotJ—film continuity was maintained in this one. One of the main PCs was a Horansi Alien Student of the Force. The player created this whole non-Jedi force tradition. Yoda is not omniscient but RotJ has the most drama if what he tells Luke about Jedi is true. The DT would also destroy a lot of the drama of the prior trilogies if you allow it to exist in the same continuity, so I don't.
You do bring up a good point to one of my criticisms about Ahsoka. She wasn't technically a Jedi when Yoda died because she left officially resigned from the Jedi Order before RotS. So Yoda wasn't technically false when he told Luke, "When gone am I, the last of the Jedi you will be." However, it is still currently a gaping plot hole as to why Ahsoka never contacted Luke to ask him about why he had the last name of her former master, and what his relationship to Anakin might be. She discovered Vader's true identity years before ANH and was in the Alliance before and during the OT. Why would she not tell anyone in the Alliance, like Mon Mothma? And why was she not helping Luke set up a new Jedi Order? Honestly, before ANH her Jedi abilities were far superior to Luke's by RotJ. Yes, she is hunting for Thrawn and Ezra, but she held off on doing that for at least five years. And even though Ahsoka was emphatically not a Jedi at the end of TCW, clonetroopers during Order 66 discussed it and still tried to kill her anyway, even though they knew she was not a Jedi. All plot holes. And unlike with the PT where Lucas had to keep saying, "Your question about Threepio's memory will be answered in Episode III" (and it was), there is no, 'just wait and see' it will all make sense.' They are glazing over these things. The mere creation of Ahsoka was a plot hole with AotC, RotS, and ANH in the first place, but most SW fans today are just, 'Jedi are cool.'
The Mandalorian is loaded with contrivances, which I have mentioned for several episodes. Like why did Bo-Katan, who was so set on personally defeating Gideon to win back the darksaber, just sit around on the bridge and wait to see what happened with Mando when Gideon didn't end up being there? She should have gone looking for Gideon.
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| Ray wrote: | | Be even more awesome if he had the blast shield down and couldn't see a thing, which would also work for concealing who he is in the scenes where he makes like Vader in Rogue One against much tougher opponents. |
Check out this video...
https://twitter.com/ChrisHaas/status/1340040321187647492
| ThrorII wrote: | I'll admit it, we screamed! we cried! we cheered!
I was not a fan of the first several episodes of Season 2. Too many fetch-quests. The last three episodes were amazing. The last 3 minutes of the last episode was emotionally satisfying.
When the X-wing showed up I was like "???"
When the cloaked figure showed up I was like "....they wouldn't...."
When the lightsaber came out (in black & white) I was like "....they did??!??"
When we see the hilt, belt buckle, and gloved hand I was like "....THEY ARE DOING THIS!!!!!" But I was wondering HOW they would portray Luke?
When I saw the de-aging, I cried. Mark Hamill got his proper sendoff. |
Despite it being pure fan pandering and it not really serve the drama of The Mandalorian series, I actually loved the sequence anyway. It brings to mind the EU story taking place at the same time in the Legends universe... Something like this is how The Last Command should have ended!
I think I am ready to canonize The Mandalorian in my Star Wars multiverse. Not in my current SWU, but my previous one where the only film explicitly canonized was TFA (TLJ could be in it too, but I don't care enough to formally declare that). Things like the Lucas films happened in this universe, but not exactly. It's the only way it makes any sense to me.
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