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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So who does everyone think the new big bad will be, for phase 4? Kang? Dr Doom? Galactus?
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

garhkal wrote:
So who does everyone think the new big bad will be, for phase 4? Kang? Dr Doom? Galactus?

Those villains are primarily Fantastic Four villains, aren't they? Out of those options I only like Dr. Doom... from the comics. I know FF's integration into the MCU is inevitable, but I am not looking forward to it. I hate all stretchy heroes, and I'm not a fan of the Thing. Even as a kid I only ever liked the Storm siblings. The first FF movie was lame, but then when they made the sequel, I thought for sure there was no way it can be as bad as the first one. I was wrong. (The only good thing about either one was Jessica Alba.) I finally learned my lesson about FF movies and didn't even watch the reboot. I am skeptical of yet another FF movie, but we will see.

If there even will be a single big bad villain of the MCU, it is still too soon to even speculate. There has been no official word about future Avenger movies, although we know 100% for sure there will be more. Kevin Feige has stated Captain Marvel will become the lead character of the MCU and her first film grossed over $1 billion so you know there will be sequels, but again, there have been no sequels officially announced. It won't be right away, but you know we will eventually get MCU X-Men movies. MCU X-Men could be the saving grace of the MCU in the coming phases.

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Endgame has no stinger scenes. There is a brief backwards-looking audio-only stinger at the end of the credits, but not worth waiting for if you have to pee.

Endgame has grossed over a billion dollars worldwide in its opening weekend alone, so this movie is going to be huge. If anyone wants to discuss it, don’t forget the white font colour 'spoiler tagging' when applicable.

I haven't seen Avengers: Endgame again yet, but I have read that the theatrical presentation of Endgame now has an actual stinger scene - This Far From Home trailer which includes major spoilers for Endgame. Since it is impossible to be spoiled on Endgame after seeing Endgame, I do not know why this wasn't always included.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't forget the X-Men. Hellfire Club, Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, or some of their space adversaries could fill the bill. The Savage Land might appear too, but we'll probably see a FF film first and I'm hoping for Doctor Doom.

We could also see some standalone films to tide us over. Got to admit I never followed the characters of the upcoming films, but Marvel/Disney's done a great job so far.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pel wrote:
We could also see some standalone films to tide us over. Got to admit I never followed the characters of the upcoming films, but Marvel/Disney's done a great job so far.

Right.

The only announced MCU movie I'm truly excited for is the Black Widow movie, but I'll be dissappointed if it doesn't include Hawkeye in some way because he always gets the shaft. The first Blank Panther was good but I have no nostalgic investment in the character because I never read him as a child. Doctor Strange was ok but in my bottom tier of MCU films. A Marvel Kung Fu movie could be good. I have absolutely no memories of the Eternals from my childhood. Not liking GotG 2, I am not looking forward to GotG 3. I hope they make another Thor movie but Hemsworth said he was done - Hopefully he will at least be in the next Avengers movie.

A good MCU won't last forever, but the greatest source of my optimism comes from the mere fact of their undeniable record. To make a series of over 20 films, and I love a handful of them and like all of them to various degrees except one is an incredible track record. The safe bet is that they are not done making good movies.
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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
I'll be dissappointed if it doesn't include Hawkeye in some way because he always gets the shaft.



lol. Nice one.
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2019 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My son and I saw Endgame again tonight. Despite some slow parts, I would have to say that Infinity War/Endgame is probably my favorite overall MCU film. And no that doesn't mean a tie between those two movies. Infinity War is nothing on its on. I view Infinity War/Endgame as one looong movie. For me it will be a "Disc 1 and Disc 2" sort of thing. In fact I haven't bought IW yet and I am waiting for the probably IW/E combo-pack that will come out someday.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:19 pm    Post subject: X-Men Reply with quote

Next year's The New Mutants is a standalone mutant/horror crossover film. One of my best friends is a New Mutants and horror fan so I will go see it will him.

I saw Dark PhoeniX last week. Now that the Fox X-Men series is complete, I thought I would post a couple Fox X-Men Multiverse suggested film viewing orders (with the time periods they probably take place in).


X-MEN MOVIE VIEWING ORDER #1

1. X-Men: First Class (primarily 1962)
2. X-Men Origins: Wolverine (primarily late 1970s)
3. X-Men (early noughties)
4. X2: X-Men United (mid-noughties)
5. X-Men: The Last Stand (mid-noughties)
6. The Wolverine (2013)
7. X-Men: Days of Future Past (2023 -> largely 1973 -> 2023)
8. X-Men: Apocalypse (1983)
9. Dark PhoeniX (early 90s)
10. Logan (2029)
11. Deadpool (2016)
12. Deadpool 2 (2018)


X-MEN MOVIE VIEWING ORDER #2

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The second viewing order is my preferred one going forward. I'm glad that we will have a break from X-Men for a while, and that when they do come back it will be in the MCU. Hopefully the X-Men will be better in the MCU than the Fox series.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't seen all the X-Men movies, but, the ones I have seen I thought were very well done.

I did not care for the last Wolverine movie, however. It somehow felt way too forced.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed. I am not one of those who loved logan. BUT the others (except X3) I loved.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Avengers: Endgame never left the theaters but it is petering out so today they re-released the film with some special features after the credits in an attempt to get the movie to gross more than Avatar. It may not be enough. My son and I went to see it for our third time tonight. There is a nice little tribute to Stan Lee but nothing deep, and the rest of the stuff was meh. It will all be on the home video releases. We each got a cool poster with our ticket. So the theatrical "re-release" isn't worth going to the theater again unless you really want to see the movie itself in the theater again.

Avengers: Endgame will be available to purchase digitally on July 30th, and on blu-ray August 13th. They released a full-spoiler trailer that is clearly marketed towards all the people who saw the film, anyone who was holding out for home video be damned. Since so many people saw the film, it is not a bad marketing strategy. Remind people who saw it why they loved it and should own a copy of it.

Due to the official spoiler trailer, we don't need to bother with any spoiler restrictions anymore. I know it may seem odd that spoiler restrictions were maintained longer than for a Star Wars movie, but this is a Star Wars site with a lot of visitors who see Star Wars soon after release and want to talk about Star Wars.

Captain Marvel and Shazam are both gone from theaters now so there's no need to use spoiler tags for them either. Dark PhoeniX is still in theaters, but theaters carrying it are dwindling fast. It is literally bombing.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As you may have heard, Endgame did finally inch past Avatar and become the new #1 highest grossing film of all time. Endgame is out on digital, DVD, and blu-ray. I still don't have Infinity War or Endgame yet because I am holding out for a combo-pack blu-ray. In my mind they are a single film with part 1 and part 2 discs like the extended Middle Earth films. Infinity War does not stand alone so the last two Avengers films should be in the same case.


It doesn't look like I ever brought up Spider-Man: Far From Home. It is a good movie. I still haven't gone back to see it again yet.


And to bring this back to Star Wars, I present to you: Thor: Ragnarok... WITH LIGHTSABERS

https://youtu.be/qVb1WWF6MgM?list=PLTMfWcXTzxv15rvmsYeM9suPfau9puOq_
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After not watching any Marvel movies in 2020, we watched Age of Ultron, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame in preparation for WandaVision on Disney+. We are now 6 episodes of the show down and 3 episodes to go, which are being released the next three Fridays.

I updated the proper viewing order image in the OP and also placed it below. There was an official update to the order that catches up to some of my fixes and sensibly moves one film forward a year (Iron Man 3). I clarified the stinger advice on several of these. See below for more on the chronology and stinger advice.

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1943-1945

Captain America: The First Avenger - And after being frozen for 67 years, Steve wakes up in 2012 before The Avengers.


1995

Captain Marvel


2010

Iron Man

2011

Iron Man 2
The Incredible Hulk
Thor


2012

The Avengers

2013

The Dark World

2013-2014

Iron Man 3 - The stinger reveals that the main narrative was a January flashback of events that took place in December.

2014

The Winter Soldier
Guardians of the Galaxy
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
- The stinger with adolescent Groot takes place years later, closer to Infinity War.

2015

Age of Ultron
Ant-Man


2016

Civil War
Black Panther
- The Bucky stinger possibly takes place in 2017 but probably takes place in 2018.
Spider-Man: Homecoming

2016-2017

Doctor Strange - This film takes place over the course of over a year, starting before Civil War and ending before Ragnarok.

2017

Ragnarok - The stinger takes place in 2018, right before Infinity War.

2018

Ant-Man and the Wasp - The main narrative takes place before Infinity War, but the stinger takes place during Infinity War.
Infinity War

2018-2023

Endgame

2023

Far From Home


Viewing Order/Timeline Commentaries

A few of the movies have "X years ago" types of errors. Establishing a single continuity for a series of films in various stages of development and production simultaneously with shifting release schedules, eventually with multiple films per year and many different directors, is a herculean task. It's really quite amazing that only minor discrepancies have crept in (and a sad juxtaposition with the relatively smaller franchise of Star Wars being so mismanaged by Disney, but that's another thread). This is one reason why MCU film order is important, because it allows you to disregard the exact "years ago" references and only keep track of the order of past events leading up to what you are watching at any given moment.

The series is up to 23 films and two of them are prequels to the original film, Iron Man. The first prequel, Captain America: The First Avenger, has a time jump forward at the end of the film to between the 6th and 7th films on the list, which works to intensify the feeling that the next five films are building up to something big. They are, The Avengers. The five films (2-6) tell the story of what happened while Captain Rogers was frozen for 67 years.

Parts of The Incredible Hulk, Iron Man 2, and Thor take place in the same week in 2011, so they overlap. A scene from only 36 minutes into Thor (before which included some flashbacks) is in the stinger of IM2, so it is clear IM2 should be before Thor. But some film orders put TIH after IM2 and others even after Thor. A news report about something that occurred in TIH is playing on a Shield base screen at the end of IM2, but that isn't necessarily live as it is happening. Confusing the matter is the last-minute, tacked-on last scene in TIH which includes Tony Stark (Iron Man), which is basically a stinger that starts before the credits. The intended meaning of this at the time late came into conflict when the story went different directions, so they tried to resolve the conflict by making it mean something different and shifting it to taking place a while after Iron Man 2, but it is easier if you just skip it (see below). This allows for the original intended order or TIH taking place in between the first two IM films. Watching TIH in between them also adds more variety with the viewing sequence (instead of two IM films in a row). And watching TIH before IM2 helps with two key actor changes early in this series. The IM character of Rhodey changes actors between IM and IM2, so a film in between them makes this change feel less abrupt. This order also puts two films in between TIH and the next appearance of Bruce Banner (Hulk) played by a new actor in The Avengers (and the rest of the series). Finally, IM2 and Thor are where the narrative really gets moving towards The Avengers (and introduce new supporting Avengers characters) so these should be closest to The Avengers.

There was a change from my prior order on the other side of The Avengers. Iron Man 3 was moved from 2012-13 to 2013-14. There are a few "years ago" references that make it seem like the first timeframe, but there is an explicit date on a newspaper in the film that places it in the second timeframe, and one other "years ago" reference that supports that. From a film sequence order, despite IM3 showing Tony working through some PTSD from his experiences in The Avengers, I think watching The Dark World first makes sense because Thor franchise character Loki was the main villain of The Avengers. And this switch puts IM3 one film closer to Age of Ultron where Stark's fear of future alien invasions plays an instrumental role in the plot of the film (and rest of the franchise).

The official timeline moved Black Panther to its proper place I already had it. It also moved Ant-Man and the Wasp to where I had it in the viewing order. As we discussed earlier in the thread, the entire film except the stinger clearly takes place before Infinity War, and the stinger takes place during the end of IW. If you've already seen these films and are doing a rewatch, then it is better to watch AatW first because IW and Endgame are really part 1 and 2 of the same long movie (they literally were originally entitled IW parts I and II during development). And even for a first time viewer, the AatW stinger will be a real WTF moment that will make sense at the end of the next film without ruining the film. Disney now officially agrees that the AatW stinger is not a reason to split up IW from Endgame.


Stinger Skip Advice Commentary & Marvel One-Shots

1. This first prequel's stinger is just a scene from The Avengers and a preview of it. It made sense in the original release order but I don't recommend watching it in this order because it jumps ahead several movies, showing several characters that haven't been introduced "yet." Instead of this stinger, watch the short film, Agent Carter, which shows Peggy Carter after Steve Rogers is frozen (believed dead) and refers to the formation of SHIELD. This one-shot does have a stinger.

2. This second prequel film's first stinger is a lead-in to the last Avengers film (so far), which is 20 films ahead on the list! The stinger is important because the scene it was not actually in the film, and without it, the character shows up in the story without introduction. But it makes no sense in this order, so skip it for now. But there is a second stinger which takes place not long after this film so fast-forward to the second stinger and watch that.

4. TIH was released only a month after IM. As mentioned above, there was a hasty tack-on scene to TIH to tie it in with IM when the success of IM prompted Marvel to move forward with its shared universe franchise. The original idea for an Avengers movie involved a team being formed to hunt down the Hulk, which is why it had Tony Stark approaching General Ross to help him with his problem (hunting down the Bruce Banner) and referring to a team being formed. But they went in a different direction for the plot of The Avengers (Banner being needed for the problem due to his scientific expertise), and IM2 came out before The Avengers film and helped build towards The Avengers' drama of strife preventing the team from being formed. So it makes more sense to just stop watching TIH after the originally intended last scene of TIH. There was a short film made called The Consultant, the sole purpose of which was to reexplain TIH stinger in light of these later changes to the narrative, but this is one-shot also not needed if you just stick with my order and skip TIH stinger in the first place.

5. This stinger is just a scene from the next film. There is no need to watch it, especially if watching the Marvel short film A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Thor's Hammer in between the two films, which shows an event that takes place in between Agent Coulson's last appearance in the main film of IM2 and first appearance in Thor (which is IM2's stinger).

6. This film's stinger was meant to set-up The Avengers, but The Avengers plot changed which makes this stinger make less sense. In The Avengers, Loki does not take control of Erik Selvig until he appears in the Shield base, but in the Thor stinger Selvig is already under Loki's control. So it makes more sense to skip this stinger.

9. After watching this film's stinger, watch the short film All Hail the King with two stingers. This video is important because it updates IM characters, and an organization from the IM films that will play an important role in the upcoming MCU film, Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.

14. The second stinger of this film is just a scene from the next film so it can be skipped.

18. The first stinger of this film is just a scene from the next film so it can be skipped. Fast-forward to the second stinger and watch that.

21. After watching this film's stinger, now watch the first stinger of Captain Marvel, a lead-in scene to the next film that takes place near the beginning of it. The stinger is important here because it was not actually in the film, and without it, the character shows up in the story without showing her meeting the other characters.

22. There is a minor 'tribute to the past' audio-only stinger that is not important, so skip the credits on this film.

The Marvel One-Shots not linked here should be skipped.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WandaVision takes place in the weeks immediately following Endgame, so before Spider-Man: Far From Home (so far).

Black Widow, the next film currently schedule for May, takes place after Civil War.
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