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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:50 pm    Post subject: Terminator Crossover Reply with quote

So, I have this basic concept for a Terminator crossover into the post-Endor era.

It's an established part of the canon that, post-Endor, the various Imperial remnant factions tried to leverage technological innovations to secure and/or advance their own power and influence. I've already posited the idea of a TIE Droid Brain that could be swapped into any TIE model during construction, and that got me thinking about other possibilities. An obvious extension of that idea would be a humanoid droid that could be put inside stormtrooper armor, and from there, the similarities to the Terminator just keep getting stronger. Considering that cybernetics in the SWU can be made to mimic organic parts, it wouldn't be at all hard to vary the size and proportions of the basic human frame to make human (or any alien species) appearing infiltration models.

As a background, I'm picturing an Imperial Remnant faction that has the stockpiles / manufacturing capability to produce starfighters, storm trooper armor, personal weapons, etcetera in bulk, but lacks the manpower to match. So, despite the cultural taboos of using battle droids, they begin to manufacture droids for use as troops, ship crew, etc.

I can also see a potential tie-in with General Arndall Lott's slave-rigged walker units (Wanted by Cracken, pgs. 10-14), since it's not much of a leap from slave-rigging walkers to putting autonomous droid brains into them, or any of the Imperial Army's other ground or aerial vehicles. From there, you can introduce the various Hunter-Killer models, especially considering Dark Empire already gave us the Droid Tank, which is really a pale shadow of the HK-Tank.

Anyway, just wanted to get that out there. Thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At first I thought this was going to be about metamorphosing metal droids. Whew!

Droid stormtroopers are already a thing in Legends and Canon: Dark Troopers. Human replica droids are also already a thing at least in Legends. I don't see the advantage of making what is inside the stormtrooper armor look human since what is under the armor ideally stays hidden by the armor.

Now if by 'infiltration models' you mean droid stormtroopers that are pretending to be living stormtroopers to infiltrate Imperial forces, wouldn't that be used against Imperial factions by the New Republic or rival Imperial factions?

Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying? (That is certainly possible.)
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Droid stormtroopers are already a thing in Legends and Canon: Dark Troopers. Human replica droids are also already a thing at least in Legends.

Yes, but both are distinct from this idea in their own way. A Dark Trooper is visually distinct from standard stormtroopers, and the later models were much larger, able to operate either autonomously or as a wearable exoskeleton. An HRD is both expensive and able to pass as a human because they are effectively a biological droid, replicating human anatomy except for a droid brain running the whole thing.

This is something of a middle ground; if you put one of these in stormtrooper armor, it's at least superficially indistinguishable from a stormtrooper until it starts doing - and surviving - things that a normal stormtrooper can't. If you put it in a skin suit, a human would be hard pressed to tell the difference, but creatures who rely more heavily on other senses (such as dogs, which always reacted negatively to Terminators) will be able to see right through it. Which is in keeping with the spirit of the crossover.

The advantage with respect to the Dark Trooper or an HRD is in cost (much easier to mass-produce), versatility and subtlety. You don't have to build a bespoke model like a Dark Trooper and you don't have to shell out several million credits per unit like an HRD. You can just build one basic frame sized to fit inside a suit of stormtrooper armor, then change up the armor depending on the circumstances. The infiltration models get a little more bespoke because they have to be sized to fit whatever you're trying to mimic. Something like the Arnold-version of the Terminator works fine for a combat infiltration model, but if you're trying to mimic, say, a human female or a Twi'lek, there need to be some custom alterations made to the frame and the skin suit to pull it off.

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I don't see the advantage of making what is inside the stormtrooper armor look human since what is under the armor ideally stays hidden by the armor.

That'd be two different things. The endoskeleton put into stormtrooper armor wouldn't look human at all; the skin suit Terminators would be used in roles where armor wasn't necessary or suitable, such as ship crew or infiltration type missions.

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Now if by 'infiltration models' you mean droid stormtroopers that are pretending to be living stormtroopers to infiltrate Imperial forces, wouldn't that be used against Imperial factions by the New Republic or rival Imperial factions?

No. Infiltration models would be Terminator endoskeletons in skin suits instead of stormtrooper armor, who are used on missions where they need to look human.

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Or am I misunderstanding what you are saying? (That is certainly possible.)

Yes. The general concept here is that the Imperial faction in question is trying to keep its use of such droids quiet, as there is still a lot of antipathy among the general populace w/r/t armed droids. So this faction comes up with a humanoid endoskeleton that can be clad in stormtrooper armor and be indistinguishable from a stormtrooper so long as the helmet is on, or that can be clad in a full skin suit and blend in with other humans, so long as those with the senses to detect such things don't get involved.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
At first I thought this was going to be about metamorphosing metal droids. Whew!


Actually... this does already exist. There is a 'Polydroxol' enforcer named Morph in the Treasure Hunt adventure in Twin Stars of Kira, buy that same adventure also has a starfish and an ant alien too, so...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Bidlo wrote:
Whill wrote:
At first I thought this was going to be about metamorphosing metal droids. Whew!

Actually... this does already exist. There is a 'Polydroxol' enforcer named Morph in the Treasure Hunt adventure in Twin Stars of Kira, buy that same adventure also has a starfish and an ant alien too, so...

Polydroxol are a metallic shapeshifting living species, but they were very likely inspired by the T-1000 "robot" (just like the Iskalloni are inspired by Star Trek's Borg). Some form of Polydroxol may exist in my SWU, but likely without the shapeshifting ability (I'll decide when I run that adventure.)

The starfish and other alien are cool by me. By the way, it is a spider alien, not an ant alien. They have more than 6 limbs, their species name is Arachnoids, and the character is described as resembling a spider.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polydroxol and Iskalloni are the two most obvious examples of WEG resorting to cheap copies of other sci-fi universes. The T-1000 and the Borg are both iconic in their own respective settings. I much prefer WEG's later take on metamorphs in the form of the Cree-Va (D6 Space Aliens, pgs. 89-92), using a mass of tiny insects instead of "mimetic polyalloy".

For the purposes of this crossover, though, I prefer to stick to the tech level of Terminators as seen in the first film. That level of droid tech is roughly on par with (or marginally ahead of) the tech level seen in the SWU, so it's not a huge leap to picture an Imperial Remnant coming up with that sort of innovation.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So what you are talking about is basically an assassin Droid with artificial skin to appear human (or humanoid). That is not a huge leap...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool crossover idea, and I think it's totally plausible. Especially in the post Endor era. The scary thing would be having the Star Wars version of Skynet taking over that sector and wiping out all organic life.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dr. Bidlo wrote:
So what you are talking about is basically an assassin Droid with artificial skin to appear human (or humanoid). That is not a huge leap...

At the high end, yes. Terminators as depicted in the films have a pretty massive knowledge / skill base, which speaks to a pretty expensive droid / droid brain in SWU cost terms. I'm thinking that the independent infiltration models will have something approaching this sort of broad skillset, but the pure combat models will have a narrower focus. If the idea is just for the droid to be a stand-in for cannon fodder, it doesn't need to have detailed files on human anatomy or know the specifics of hot-wiring a speeder.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Raven Redstar wrote:
Cool crossover idea, and I think it's totally plausible. Especially in the post Endor era. The scary thing would be having the Star Wars version of Skynet taking over that sector and wiping out all organic life.

I can see something headed in that direction, like the Remnant Faction ins question developing a Tactics and Strategy AI to assist them in their planning that slowly usurps command and control, to the point where the rank-and-file humans aren't even aware that they're being commanded by a machine. I'm reminded of the sequences in Terminator: Salvation where Skynet mimicked humans when speaking to Marcus Wright. It would be relatively easy to do the same via holo-comm.

I don't know if I'd go as far as wiping out all organic life in a sector, though. That would attract a lot of unnecessary attention, and there is more than enough combat power in the galaxy to put down a sector's worth of droid rebels. I see it operating more behind the scenes, especially w/r/t the anti-droid biases of the general populace post-Clone Wars.

No crossover is ever an exact fit, of course.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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"I need your clothes, your boots, and your swoop." "You forgot to say 'Please'."

Obviously, time travel is one of those parts of the crossover that isn't going to survive the cut. The closest thing I have in my stat archive would be the WH40K-type teleporter, which actually inflicts Stun damage to anyone transported in it. Obviously, that wouldn't affect a droid in a skin suit.
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