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Bobmalooga Commander
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:08 am Post subject: Re: 2015 Marvel SW #1 (minor spoiler) |
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Whill wrote: | Whill wrote: | I'm definitely going to buy the new Marvel Star Wars #1 next month, but it's going to have to be pretty good for me to continue collecting it after that. |
I went to my FLGS/CS Wednesday after work and picked up the new Star Wars #1. It is an action filled story with pretty good artwork. (Spoilers...) Ugh. |
Whill!!!!!! Spoilers man, somebody here might not have read that comic yet!
I started off with the Star Wars comics in the 70s, I remember the one with Jaxxon, another with Valance and the time that the Jawas found Boba Fett and thought he was a droid... _________________ No matter where you go, there you are... |
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Marvel SW |
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Bobmalooga wrote: | I started off with the Star Wars comics in the 70s, I remember... the time that the Jawas found Boba Fett and thought he was a droid... |
Was that the post-RotJ story where Fett escapes the Sarlaac only to be dumped back in it at the end? I remember it having something to do with Jawas but it's very vague. _________________ *
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Bobmalooga Commander
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: Marvel SW |
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Whill wrote: | Bobmalooga wrote: | I started off with the Star Wars comics in the 70s, I remember... the time that the Jawas found Boba Fett and thought he was a droid... |
Was that the post-RotJ story where Fett escapes the Sarlaac only to be dumped back in it at the end? I remember it having something to do with Jawas but it's very vague. |
That's the one... _________________ No matter where you go, there you are... |
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Barrataria Commander
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 10:42 am Post subject: Re: 2015 Marvel SW #1 (minor spoiler) |
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Whill wrote: | And the story canon group is being vague about timeline placement with these new comics and novels taking place in between ANH and TESB. This time period was always a chaotic continuity cesspool in the EU, and now they seem to be making all the same mistakes of the EU when this is their chance to do things right this time. Ugh. |
Without having read the comic, and without repeating your spoiler,
[in an abundance of caution]
your interpretation sounds pretty spot on. At the very least, one would think that they wouldn't undermine pretty obvious aspects of a canon film, and as you say that one thing is a real important story point for ESB. (Notwithstanding, of course, that Splinter undermined it too, right?). _________________ "A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing"- George Lucas |
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 11:55 am Post subject: |
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Splinter and the original Marvel comic confrontations came out before TESB, so they only undermined TESB later when they were retroactively awarded C-canon status and designated an official part of the EU. Now was their chance to not repeat the mistakes of the past, but it appears Disneyfilm's story canon group is equally blowing it. _________________ *
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Barrataria Commander
Joined: 28 Dec 2005 Posts: 295 Location: Republic of California
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Whill wrote: | Splinter and the original Marvel comic confrontations came out before TESB, so they only undermined TESB later when they were retroactively awarded C-canon status and designated an official part of the EU. Now was their chance to not repeat the mistakes of the past, but it appears Disneyfilm's story canon group is equally blowing it. |
Elevating Splinter was kind of a weird choice; I'm reading "Secret History" right now and he hasn't said anything about that retcon. As I noted in your fiction thread I never made it very far into Splinter.
It will indeed be interesting to see what else they pick up, and what else they run over, from the other six films.s _________________ "A special effect without a story is a pretty boring thing"- George Lucas |
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DougRed4 Rear Admiral
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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I enjoyed the comic, as I find that artist, John Cassaday, to be brilliant at cinematic scenes.
SPOILERS BELOW:
The story was decent, but I too was wondering about the bit with Vader. Who knows, though, we haven't seen how it's resolved. And Vader clearly doesn't know who Luke is yet... _________________ Currently Running: Villains & Vigilantes (a 32-year-old campaign with multiple groups) and D6 Star Wars; mostly on hiatus are Adventures in Middle-earth and Delta Green |
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CRMcNeill Director of Engineering
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Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Sigh... SPOILER ALERT
Although how you haven't already spoiled Splinter of the Mind's Eye for yourself, I just don't know...
Interesting fan theory about SOTME:
Palpatine had secretly grown multiple clones of Vader. For his own twisted reasons, Palpatine tortured the first clone so badly that it had to wear a life support suit just like Vader's. He subsequently sent that same clone on the mission to Circarpous, where he encountered and was defeated by Luke Skywalker. Meanwhile, the real Vader discovered Palpatine's clone program and, in a towering rage, killed all of the remaining clones, most of which were still growing in the cloning tanks.
I like this theory a lot, since I enjoyed Splinter of the Mind's Eye a great deal, and this theory ties up nearly all of the loose ends that are needed to fit the novel back in with the canon, including how "Vader" didn't know who Luke was, and was weak enough in the Force that Luke could defeat him even prior to training with Yoda. _________________ "No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.
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Zarm R'keeg Commander
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:49 am Post subject: |
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(ISSUE #2 SPOILERS)
I haven't read either issue yet, but I assume the preview pages for #2 are the reason for all the SOTME talk, but...
I'm really not cool with the confrontation taking place in those preview pages taking place in this timeline, or the amount of information spilled there. SOMTE had the excuse of TESB not having come out yet- this series has no such excuse, and none of this feels like things that actually could have taken place when you watch the tone of the confrontation is ESB. Worse, the voices of the characters are off- neither participant sounds like their movie selves at all. And someone was watching a bunch of prequels before writing the dialogue... because 'Master Kenobi' may be how a PT padawan would refer to him, but to Luke, he is ever and only 'Ben.' The wrong-style invokation here just adds to the 'this is not how Luke talks' vibe... though the artwork is quite good! _________________ Star Wars: Marvels, the audio drama: www.nolinecinemas.com
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Whill Dark Lord of the Jedi (Owner/Admin)
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:24 am Post subject: |
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SPOILERS...
Zarm R'keeg wrote: | none of this feels like things that actually could have taken place when you watch the tone of the confrontation is ESB. Worse, the voices of the characters are off- neither participant sounds like their movie selves at all. And someone was watching a bunch of prequels before writing the dialogue... because 'Master Kenobi' may be how a PT padawan would refer to him, but to Luke, he is ever and only 'Ben.' The wrong-style invokation here just adds to the 'this is not how Luke talks' vibe... though the artwork is quite good! |
I agree with every word!
Zarm R'keeg wrote: | I'm really not cool with the confrontation taking place in those preview pages taking place in this timeline, or the amount of information spilled there. SOMTE had the excuse of TESB not having come out yet- this series has no such excuse |
I agree that at the time of its release, SotME had the excuse of TESB not having come out yet. Like I said earlier in the thread, the first inexcusable thing was in the 90s (long after the classic films) when the EU was formed, SotME was retroactively designated as canon, when not everything that had been released before was made canon (for example, at the time, the beloved original Marvel SW comic series was not made canon while SotME was). That was a mistake then because they very easily could have just said, No SotME is not canon.
But that was yesterday's mistake because the entire EU was categorically demoted from the new canon. So they have removed old contradicting continuity just to replace it with new contradictory continuity. They just haven't learned, SMH.
crmcneill wrote: | Interesting fan theory about SOTME:
Palpatine had secretly grown multiple clones of Vader. For his own twisted reasons, Palpatine tortured the first clone so badly that it had to wear a life support suit just like Vader's. He subsequently sent that same clone on the mission to Circarpous, where he encountered and was defeated by Luke Skywalker. Meanwhile, the real Vader discovered Palpatine's clone program and, in a towering rage, killed all of the remaining clones, most of which were still growing in the cloning tanks.
I like this theory a lot, since I enjoyed Splinter of the Mind's Eye a great deal, and this theory ties up nearly all of the loose ends that are needed to fit the novel back in with the canon, including how "Vader" didn't know who Luke was, and was weak enough in the Force that Luke could defeat him even prior to training with Yoda. |
So, if you ignore the original Marvel SW comic series, this Vader-clone thing does restore TESB as the first time Luke confronts the (real) Vader.
Since you like SotME, I'm curious how is it that Leia doesn't know how to swim but Luke does? They have bodies of water on Alderaan. They do not on Tatooine. That didn't even make sense in 1978. _________________ *
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cynanbloodbane Commander
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Well, Luke is a moisture farmer, he just learned to swim in the Larrs family moisture silo. Leia... Um, give me a sec... The Hair! She spent so much time on elaborate hair styles, that she wasn't about to take part in a leisure activity that would mess it up!
Best I got. _________________ "Yes because killing the guy you always planned on usurping and killing anyways in order to save your own kid, totally atones for murdering a roomful of innocent trusting children." The Brain |
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CRMcNeill Director of Engineering
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 2:11 am Post subject: |
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Whill wrote: | Since you like SotME, I'm curious how is it that Leia doesn't know how to swim but Luke does? They have bodies of water on Alderaan. They do not on Tatooine. That didn't even make sense in 1978. |
Hey, I never said it cleared everything up. If I had to come up with an answer, I'd say that Luke had to at least learn the basics of swimming as a pilot during escape and evasion training. _________________ "No set of rules can cover every situation. It's expected that you will make up new rules to suit the needs of your game." - The Star Wars Roleplaying Game, 2R&E, pg. 69, WEG, 1996.
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Zarm R'keeg Commander
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:14 am Post subject: |
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Whill wrote: | Since you like SotME, I'm curious how is it that Leia doesn't know how to swim but Luke does? They have bodies of water on Alderaan. They do not on Tatooine. That didn't even make sense in 1978. |
Simplicity itself: these were actually Luke and Leia clones, too. (From different batches, of course). There were, in fact, no OT characters actually in SOTME; even the droids were copies built out of old hard-drive backups. This special Rebllion decoy team was designed to draw the heat off of our heroes... but they didn't count on the fact that the Empire had the same idea! _________________ Star Wars: Marvels, the audio drama: www.nolinecinemas.com
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:27 am Post subject: |
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Just an FYI guys, there's an easy way to do spoilers. Highlight below to read:
If you look at the top of your post, just below the {B} {i} and {u} buttons, there is a Font colour: If you change it to white, you have to highlight the text in order for the spoiler to become visible on the forum's default white background.
Just thought that might help. If not, then do what you were doing before.
Highlight above to read. _________________ __________________________________
Before we take any of this too seriously, just remember that in the middle episode a little rubber puppet moves a spaceship with his mind. |
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