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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your post. I do remember you saying you liked Rogue One.

I don't want this thread to get "political", but your statement about baby boomers being the one generation that should be nostalgic really only applies to white males. The post-WWII time period had continued racism and mysogyny. Saying times were great compared to later marginalizes all those who suffered under discrimination.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
Thanks for your post. I do remember you saying you liked Rogue One.

I don't want this thread to get "political", but your statement about baby boomers being the one generation that should be nostalgic really only applies to white males. The post-WWII time period had continued racism and mysogyny. Saying times were great compared to later marginalizes all those who suffered under discrimination.


I don't want it to get political either. However, the post-war economic boom was a rising tide that floated all ships. Women and ethnic minorities in the United States were better off during childhood than their socioeconomic demographic in the previous generations. That could vary based on where you lived in the country though, too. Remember my statement also assumes that people in question were children, and not adults, in all or most of the 1950's. Civil rights can be much advanced by the 1970's but if you are facing a broadly difficult and/or terrifying young adulthood (energy crisis et al) childhood in the postwar boom years is gonna seem pretty good! Compare them to the older generation (across demographics) at that time: in 1977 there was considerable nostalgia for 1957. No one in 1957 was nostalgic for the horrors (economic and otherwise) of 1937.

Tthat such nostalgia may have been more keenly felt by white males, may simply be reflected in Lucas fitting that demographic.

Economics aside, a lot of very ugly domestic problems (which won't be named, to avoid political debates) came to their statistical peak in the 1930's. Girls and non-whites born in the mid to late 40's and growing up in the 1950's got to avoid a lot of nasty business that was much more common for their parents generation. They may not be nearly as nostalgic as white males, but baby boomers of other demographics are still very nostalgic about their childhood years. This is the type of broad generational impulse that crossed demographics to make Happy Days the number one rated TV show the years immediately surrounding the release of ANH. Though that opens up the whole American Graffiti can of worms. ANH was different though, it was usually much, much subtler about plucking those nostalgia chords in viewers.

For the baby-boomer audience of Star Wars, you're more talking about young adults who didn't buy Kenner toys (unless it was for their children) but did go back to re-watch "that crazy Star Wars movie" over and over, helping to propel it's record breaking financial success. It's lack of ethnic diversity was noted by baby boomers in 1977: Richard Pryor's comment about ANH cannot be quoted here. But the gender diversity of in princess Leia was also noted and lauded at the time. Nowadays it may seem like she's "the token girl" but back then, having a token girl who shot people, had that many lines, impacted the storyline, and, it should be noted, who was barely a love interest, was pretty rare and seen as progressive. I tend to think Leia's development owes a lot to the female characters in Burrough's books. Compared to his contemporaries of the adventure genre, Burrough's female characters were pretty well developed and at least tried to defend themselves if threatened, instead of fainting as a danger response. Course Princess Yuki is presumably the biggest single influence on Leia.

I don't even know what my point is anymore. I guess I just like talking (and talking and talking) about Star Wars within a broader context of American cultural history.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TauntaunScout wrote:
...I guess I just like talking (and talking and talking) about Star Wars within a broader context of American cultural history.

A lot of baby boomers do not have any nostalgia for the post-WWII time period. Saying that it was worse earlier than that may be true but it is dismissive of the fact that a lot of them still had it bad. The rising tide may have floated many ships but saying all ships is inaccurate and again, dismissive of those who weren't floated. Being dismissive of racial and gender discrimination is not acceptable here. There is no point to discussing this here.

TauntaunScout wrote:
I don't even know what my point is anymore.

This is the original open discussion thread for Solo. Let us please get this thread back on course to talk about Solo film, novelization, etc. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
TauntaunScout wrote:
I don't even know what my point is anymore.

This is the original open discussion thread for Solo. Let us please get this thread back on course to talk about Solo film, novelization, etc. Thanks.


I liked it when Han Solo shot Woody from Cheers.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 16, 2019 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the MTV news video where TKotOR project was brought up, it was revealed that releasing Solo only five months after TLJ was an experiment to see if they could do two Star Wars movies a year. It irks me that they sabotaged Solo, a superior movie to TLJ. And the experiment benefits TRoS which Abrams mandated be pushed back to December.

And here I thought it was just because they wanted to get all Star Wars back to late May releases. But now it looks like Star Wars is going to stay the king of December and leave Spring and Summer to Marvel whose market does support three films a year.

At least it seems they learned that even one Star Wars film a year is too much. Sad that Solo's success had to suffer for all this.
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2019 2:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
In the MTV news video where TKotOR project was brought up, it was revealed that releasing Solo only five months after TLJ was an experiment to see if they could do two Star Wars movies a year. It irks me that they sabotaged Solo, a superior movie to TLJ. And the experiment benefits TRoS which Abrams mandated be pushed back to December.

And here I thought it was just because they wanted to get all Star Wars back to late May releases. But now it looks like Star Wars is going to stay the king of December and leave Spring and Summer to Marvel whose market does support three films a year.

At least it seems they learned that even one Star Wars film a year is too much. Sad that Solo's success had to suffer for all this.


I actually think TLJ is the 2nd best post-1983 Star Wars movie.
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2019 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Ultimate Legacy of Solo ls the Death of Star Wars Tradition

I guess #MakeSolo2Happen is trending on Twitter. It's not going to happen. Kennedy has pretty much said anthology movies are done, and Solo's box office was hardly enough to inspire confidence in a series.

However Disney is spending so much money on new content for Disney+ that they do not expect to make any money from it for several years. Who knows what might end up there? Rumor now has it that a Kenobi mini-series with Ewan McGregor is in the works.
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PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2019 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone had a chance to look at the Art of Solo book yet? I've heard some interesting tidbits about cool new YT-1300 designs, the Enfys Nest ship, and gargantuan Bolo-sized tanks intended for the Battle of Mimban scene...
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has anyone had a chance to look at the Art of Solo book yet? I've heard some interesting tidbits about cool new YT-1300 designs, the Enfys Nest ship, and gargantuan Bolo-sized tanks intended for the Battle of Mimban scene...

I have it. There is a lot of very nice art in this book.

I wouldn't say the ship has any new YT-1300 designs. There are a couple pages of supposedly older versions of the Falcon. They are mostly a bunch of tiny little images with only a handful larger images. They were all tossed because they are all so radically different that they couldn't even possibly be YT-1300s. Some of them are quite hideous-looking. You might like some of them, but there are some wacky uglies in the section of tiny images like one with TIE Interceptor-like wing/panels and another with Y-Wing-like engine nacelles on the sides. In the end they realized they had to actually make the Falcon we know with an add-on that somewhat changed the appearance but could be jettisoned in the film, revealing the Falcon we are used to. Within the film's design, they even experimented with more outrageous paint jobs like all black with a gold trans am firebird hood emblem. What the small Falcon section of the book accomplishes is reinforcement that the design they ended up with in the film was clearly the best.

The Enfys Nest ship was inspired by a B-Wing. A scene was considered showing all the swoops flying out of the ship, but dropped from the film when they decided that just having them show up out of the blue in the conveyex scene was more dramatic.

The giant tank vehicles idea was described as intended to just to show them in the distance mostly obscured by fog, and there is an image of that. But there is a two-page unobscured image with the right page being one of these giant tanks and the left page showing some big heavy armored stormtroopers in the foreground with one of these giant tanks in the background.

I don't think the not-Falcon images or the Enfys Nest ship are really that great, but I think you would love the giant tanks and want to create stats for them.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whill wrote:
The Enfys Nest ship was inspired by a B-Wing. A scene was considered showing all the swoops flying out of the ship, but dropped from the film when they decided that just having them show up out of the blue in the conveyex scene was more dramatic.

That dovetails nicely with what we discussed previously of a larger, not-seen-on-screen transport used to move the AT Hauler from Mimban to Vandor. I just wish they'd applied the thinking in reverse. I'm also reminded of various mentions in the EU of Swoop Gangs acquiring transport ships to move from planet to planet, blurring the line between swoop gang and pirate band, with something like Enfys Nest being the Alliance-aligned Privateer counterpart of that concept.

I'd need to actually see the concept art to be sure, but it sounds a lot like the Resistance Transport from TFA...

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I don't think the not-Falcon images or the Enfys Nest ship are really that great, but I think you would love the giant tanks and want to create stats for them.

I sort of already did, with my Bolo crossover stat. It's only part-way completed, but a lot of the mental roadblocks insofar as how to write usable stats for things like artillery have been surmounted since I originally wrote this...
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2019 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, so I finally found a still shot of the ship, and while it bears a certain similarity to the B-Wing, there doesn't really seem to be any sort of familial resemblance. The video narrator said that it was the result of kitbashing a B-Wing and a WWII-era bomber, but the finished product could just as easily be related to something like the G9 Rigger as a B-Wing.

I do like the ominous look of it, though. I shall think on it...
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