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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | I was thinking that the backup shields would be mostly reserved for combat-capable vessels, which this most certainly is not, but your point is well taken. |
Well, looking at official precedents (so not even counting fan homebrews), three out of five commercial Mon Cal freighters have backup shields. Unlike all the freighters, this tanker protects volatile chemicals, so I would think back-up shields would be a must here. The great thing about the mechanic is, that it doesn't boost the shield dice above the die code you picked. The 1D+2 is fine. But if 1D in shield gets blown, then the first back-up 1D can be brought up to replace it. And then each backup die is another separate backup that comes up if needed. I would give the tanker at least 1D in backup shields.
| CRMcNeill wrote: | My view of Mon Cal ships as a whole is that they tend to go with distributed systems over one large one, so that a single x2 hyperdrive is actually composed of multiple, smaller hyperdrives spread around the ship, all coordinated to work together. That level of dispersion and redundancy makes it a lot harder to critically damage the ship because it reduces the likelihood of a single hit rendering an entire ship system inoperable, as power can simply be rerouted to various backup systems to take up the slack.
In the case of the detachable control pod, it would have its own shields and hyperdrives, all integrated into the larger network of the ship itself, but also set up to operate independently if the pod has to eject.
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It's kind of a mixed bag because of how fragile and volatile the main body of the ship is due to what it normally carries. One hit at the wrong place and the entire cargo of fuel could cook off. So, yes, the cockpit is more physically fragile, but because it's not packed with volatile chemicals, it's less likely to explode if you breathe on it wrong. I suppose there could be room for a special rule that reduces the combined ship's Hull by 1D if it's carrying something hazardous, but at the time, it seemed easy enough to say that the two balanced out. |
I think I see where you're coming from. The control pod isn't really an escape vehicle. This is just one big ship composed of two fully integrated vehicles, but the crew and controls for both are all in one vehicle so that is the only part that can also function as a separate vehicle on its own.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 28, 2020 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: MC-19 Tanker |
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| Whill wrote: | | I would give the tanker at least 1D in backup shields. |
That's fair.
| Quote: | | This is just one big ship composed of two fully integrated vehicles, but the crew and controls for both are all in one vehicle so that is the only part that can also function as a separate vehicle on its own. |
Exactly. The control pod maintains similar performance because it has all of its own systems that are normally integrated into the larger network of the combined ship, but can operate completely independent of the larger ship as needed. If you look closely at the model, there are what appear to be drive tubes on the rear of the cockpit itself, which is what got me initially thinking this direction in the first place.
I'll go ahead an insert your other recommended changes now, as well.
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EC Henry strikes again with another mystery ship from the end of Empire Strikes Back. He's calling it the FD79-Class Corvette, or Quarren Corvette. It could very easily be a Clone Wars-era Separatist ship, as EC specifically mentions similarities to the Providence-Class, which was built by the Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps (which was composed primarily of Quarren).
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | EC Henry strikes again with another mystery ship from the end of Empire Strikes Back. He's calling it the FD79-Class Corvette, or Quarren Corvette. It could very easily be a Clone Wars-era Separatist ship, as EC specifically mentions similarities to the Providence-Class, which was built by the Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps (which was composed primarily of Quarren). |
Just popped over from YouTube to share this, too. Here's a link to EC Henry's collaborator, Angelos Karderinis and specifically a link to the Quarren Corvette, its interior, and the Quarren Gunship.
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | EC Henry strikes again with another mystery ship from the end of Empire Strikes Back. He's calling it the FD79-Class Corvette, or Quarren Corvette. It could very easily be a Clone Wars-era Separatist ship, as EC specifically mentions similarities to the Providence-Class, which was built by the Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps (which was composed primarily of Quarren). |
When Mon Cala fought off the Empire it is stated they turned their luxury liners into warships and built several scout and corvette sized ships in the Mon Calamari Shipyards. I could for sure see this as being one of those ships built in limited numbers.
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Nah. I’ve already got a MonCal corvette / light frigate in this thread, and the Separatists are awfully thin on the escort ship roster. Since the Free Dac Volunteers were essentially all Quarren, it’s an easy step to take.
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 9:49 pm Post subject: MC-19 design by Mel Miniatures |
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | ... As this topic has progressed, I have found myself much preferring EC Henry's take on the Mystery Ships to those from Mel's Miniatures, with one exception, which can be seen here. I just can't wrap my head around the direction EC went with these, since the craft seen in the end of ESB would have to be flying sideways to fit his vision. As such, here's my version of the...
Mon Calamari Tanker... |
Was googling around to see if anyone had already come up with credible stats for Mel Miniatures' MC-19, as I'm planning on putting a Mon Cal pilot into one for my Obscure Character thread. I should've known that the Pit's own CRMcNeill would've already done a write-up!
Definitely agreed that MM's MC-19 extrapolation from the fuzzy ESB source is the better interpretation over EC Henry's, this time. Guy can't hit a homerun every at-bat, after all.
Excellent — and thorough — work throughout this thread, as always.
| RyanDarkstar wrote: | | CRMcNeill wrote: | | EC Henry strikes again with another mystery ship from the end of Empire Strikes Back. He's calling it the FD79-Class Corvette, or Quarren Corvette. It could very easily be a Clone Wars-era Separatist ship, as EC specifically mentions similarities to the Providence-Class, which was built by the Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps (which was composed primarily of Quarren). |
Just popped over from YouTube to share this, too. Here's a link to EC Henry's collaborator, Angelos Karderinis and specifically a link to the Quarren Corvette, its interior, and the Quarren Gunship. |
And nice! Thank you for this as well, RD. The "Quarren Corvette" was particularly intriguing *and* had a logical backstory, given the lore. Having interior renders will be really useful.
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2021 11:07 pm Post subject: Re: MC-19 design by Mel Miniatures |
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| Telsij wrote: | | Definitely agreed that MM's MC-19 extrapolation from the fuzzy ESB source is the better interpretation over EC Henry's, this time. Guy can't hit a homerun every at-bat, after all. |
I have to say that I really do like EC Henry's ship for what it is, but I just don't see how it fits with what was very clearly flying sideways in ESB.
| Quote: | | Excellent — and thorough — work throughout this thread, as always. |
Much appreciated, as always.
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This one's been sitting on my hard drive half-completed for some time now, so here we go...
There's a ship in the RotJ novel fleet list that doesn't really seem to fit: the Bestinian Skyhopper. Official canon has made the skyhopper a one/two seat atmospheric flyer, not really something suitable to deep space operation with a fleet. I've scratched my head on this for a while, but I think I have a solution I like...
Skyhopper-Class Courier Ship
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While important data is conveyed via the Holonet, the majority of information is transported by high speed licensed courier ships. Known informally as post ships (due to their common usage by the Imperial Post Office), these fast craft are a relatively common sight on major space lanes. Due to their speed, ownership of such ships is restricted to bonded and licensed couriers (who usually sub-contract with official agencies), and are mandated by law to be unarmed.
In addition, the Empire closely monitors the activities of licensed courier ships. Since it would be counterproductive to the courier's mission to stop and board every courier for inspection, couriers are equipped with a multi-frequency transponder code system that provides additional layers of information to official vessels, and is thus much more difficulty to falsify.
One such craft is Bestin Stellar Works' Skyhopper-Class. It is equipped with one of the fastest civilian drives in existence, as well as a courier-grade hyperdrive second only to the fastest of illegal smuggling vessels. In addition, the ship's state-of-the-art nav computer is one of the best and most up-to-date currently available.
Craft: Bestin Stellar Works' Skyhopper-Class
Type: Commercial Courier Ship
Scale: Starship (+6D)
Length: 61 meters
Skill: Starship Piloting: Bestinian Skyhopper
Crew: 4 (2 @ +10)
Crew Skill:
Astrogation 5D
Gunnery 4D
Piloting 4D+1
Shields 4D
Sensors 4D
Passengers: 6
Cargo Capacity: 200 metric tons
Consumables: 3 months
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x3/4
Hyperdrive Backup: x10
Nav Computer: Yes (-5 Difficulty)
Maneuverability: 2D
Space: 8 (4D)
Atmosphere: 365; 1,050 km/h
Hull: 3D+2
Shields: 1D
Sensors:
Passive 30/0D+2
Scan 45/1D
Search 60/2D
Focus 2/2D+2
Weapons: None
Special: The ship's Transponder Code system reduces the Difficulty of other ships to Identify by -5, and is +10 Difficulty to modify.
Variants: (As Above, except as noted)Kesselian Blockade Runner
As one might imagine, such ships are highly attractive to the Alliance and Fringe. While the difficult-to-modify transponder code does present a problem, the ship is still usable in certain applications where the anonymity of a false identity is less important than the ship's speed and advanced navcomputer. In particular, blockade running. Most widely used by spice runners operating out of the Kessel system, the tactic has also been used by the Alliance.
Since blockade running ships operate entirely outside the law, their owners also have no compunctions about modifying their ships with weaponry, expanded sensors, jamming modules and other equipment. Often, jamming modules are specifically tuned to jam the ship's own transponder code frequency so that it can't be read by nearby ships. The weapons of such modified ships are almost always defensive in nature, used to hold off pursuing fighters and other craft. A common example of a courier ship modified as a blockade runner is presented below.
Crew: 4 (2 @ +10) & 4 Gunners
Crew Skill:
Gunnery 4D
Cargo Capacity: 100 metric tons
Consumables: 2 months
Sensors:
Passive 50/1D+1
Scan 70/2D
Search 90/3D
Focus 4/4D
Weapons:
1 Dual Heavy Laser Cannon
Fire Arc: Turret
Crew: 1
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Range:
--Space: 1-3/12/25
--Atmosphere: 100m-300m/1.2km/2.5km
Damage: 6D
3 Dual Blaster Cannon
Fire Arc: 1 Front, 1 Left/Rear, 1 Right/Rear
Crew: 1
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Range:
--Space: 1-3/8/15
--Atmosphere: 100m-300m/800m/1.5km
Rate of Fire: 2D Auto-Fire
Damage: 4D
2 Warhead Launchers
Fire Arc: 1 Front, 1 Rear
Crew: 1 (Pilot or Co-Pilot)
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Rate of Fire: 1
All Other Stats vary by Warhead Type
Ammo: 12 per launcher. May select any Weapons from this list, depending on Availability. The rear launcher may also fire Space Mines and Buoys from this list.
Special Equipment: Transponder Jammer
A specifally tuned jamming emitter adds +15 to the Difficulty of opposing ships attempting to read the ship's transponder code.
House Rule Notes:COMMAND DIFFICULTY MODIFIER: +1
SHIELD & SHIELD CONTROL: 1D @ 1D
VELOCITY MODIFIER: 2D Flight
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Been working on this and it's not quite complete, but my computer is glitching out so I want to get this posted and do a restart. I'll be adding the fluff later.
FD-79 "Longfin"-Class Corvette
Introduced in the closing stages of the Clone Wars, the FD79 "Longfin" Corvette was introduced by the Separatists as a multi-role skirmishing platform. Intended for anything from fleet escort to commerce raiding or special operations transport, the Longfin is equipped with a well-balanced weapons suite, backed by strong shields and a sturdy hull, while still being relatively fast and maneuverable. It also has internal storage and docking bay space set aside to support a small boarding shuttle or special ops boat, along with decent endurance, allowing for somewhat extended operations independent of resupply.
Introduced during the stalemate sieges that characterized much of the final stages of the Clone Wars, the Quarren of the Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps continued to produce the Longfin in limited numbers after the collapse of the Separatists, with many of their remaining craft ultimately gravitating into Alliance service, filling much the same role as they had originally been intended.
Craft: Free Dac Volunteers Engineering Corps' FD-79 "Longfin"
Type: Multi-Role Corvette
Scale: Frigate (+10D)
Length: 165 meters
Skill: Capital Ship Piloting: FD-79 "Longfin"-Class
Crew: 75 (35 @ +10) & 17 Gunners
Crew Skill:
Astrogation 3D+1
Gunnery 4D+1
Piloting 4D+1
Shields 4D
Sensors 3D+1
Passengers: 15
Small Craft Complement: 2 light utility craft
Cargo Capacity: 200 metric tons
Consumables: 6 months
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x1
Hyperdrive Backup: x10
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: 2D
Space: 7 (3D+2)
Atmosphere: 350; 1,000 kph
Hull: 4D
Shields: 2D
Sensors:
Passive 60/1D
Scan 80/2D
Search 120/3D+1
Focus 4/4D+2
Weapons:
3 Dual Turbolaser Cannon
Fire Arc: 1 Front/Left, 1 Front/Right, 1 Rear
Crew: 2 each
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Range:
--Space: 2-10/25/50
--Orbital: 4km-20km/50km/100km
--Atmosphere: 200m-1km/2.5km/5km
Rate of Fire: 3D
Damage: 5D
2 Ion Cannon
Fire Arc: 1 Front/Left, 1 Front/Right
Crew: 2 each
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Range:
--Space: 1-7/17/35
--Orbital: 2km-14km/34km/70km
--Atmosphere: 100m-700m/1.7km/3.5km
Damage: 4D (ionization)
4 Dual Heavy Laser Cannon
Fire Arc: 1 Front/Left, 1 Front/Right, 1 Rear/Left, 1 Rear/Right
Scale: Starship (+6D)
Crew: 1 each
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Range:
--Space: 1-3/12/25
--Orbital: 2km-6km/24km/50km
--Atmosphere: 100m-300m/1.2km/2.5km
Damage: 6D
1 Tractor Beam Projector
Fire Arc: Front
Scale: Special*
Crew: 3
Skill: Capital Ship Gunnery
Fire Control: 3D
Range:
--Space: 1-3/10/20
--Orbital: 2km-6km/20km/40km
--Atmosphere:100m-300m/1km/2km
Damage: 4D
*May switch between Frigate (+10D) and Starship (+6D). Switch takes one round, during which the projector can not be used.
House Rule Notes:COMMAND DIFFICULTY MODIFIER: +4
SHIELD & SHIELD CONTROL: 2D @ 2D
VELOCITY MODIFIER: 2D Flight
BATTERY DICE:Dual Turbolaser Cannon: 1D Front, 0D Left, 0D Right, 0D Rear
Dual Heavy Laser Cannon: 0D+2 Front, 0D+2 Left, 0D+2 Right, 0D+2 Rear
Dual Ion Cannon: 0D+2 Front, 0D Left, 0D Right
Tractor Beam Projectors: 0D Front, 0D Left, 0D Right
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So, circling back around to the Rebel Tanker, I was struck by the cockpit similarity between the Mel's Miniatures version and the G-9 Rigger. I'm kinda waffling between the two different depictions, as there are aspects of both that I like. My ideal would have the cockpit from Mel's, with the engine section from EC Henry's, and swapping out the comm-scan dish on EC's for a tractor beam projector.
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Actually, it's possible for both ships to exist, with the EC Henry version being the SoroSuub ship, and the Mel's version being a CEC ship designed for the same purpose and the same cargo pods. At the moment, I'm picturing the CEC having greater range, but the SoroSuub version being equipped with a tractor beam projector for greater utility.
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| CRMcNeill wrote: | | Actually, it's possible for both ships to exist, with the EC Henry version being the SoroSuub ship, and the Mel's version being a CEC ship designed for the same purpose and the same cargo pods. At the moment, I'm picturing the CEC having greater range, but the SoroSuub version being equipped with a tractor beam projector for greater utility. |
Cool. Looking forward to the other version.
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Bantha-Class Cargo Freighter
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The Bantha-Class is a dedicated cargo transport manufactured by the SoroSuub Corporation. While most light freighters are configured with internal cargo bays (and are thus able to easily convert to passenger transports), the Bantha is a dedicated cargo transport, hauling its load in external containers mounted on port and starboard hard points. Much of the remainder of the ship's interior is devoted to the engines and the tensor field generators that stabilize the cargo pods in flight, and thus the Bantha has minimal internal crew quarters. It is also unarmed apart from a dorsal tractor beam projector that is normally used for handling and docking with free-floating cargo containers. Banthas are also short on Consumables, and are thus limited to mostly short range journeys.
Craft: SoroSuub Bantha-Class
Type: Cargo Freighter
Scale: Starship (+6D)
Length: 46 meters
Skill: Starship Operation
Crew: 2 (1 @ +5) & 1 Gunner
Crew Skill: Varies Tremendously
Passengers: 2 (or 5 metric tons of cargo per passenger)
Cargo Capacity: Special. See Below
Consumables: 1 month
Hyperdrive Multiplier: x2
Hyperdrive Backup: x12
Nav Computer: Yes
Maneuverability: 0D/1D*
Space: 4/6 (2D/3D)*
Atmosphere: 280; 800 kph / 330; 950 kph*
*Performance with/without cargo pods.
Hull: 3D+2
Shields: 1D
Sensors:
Passive 15/0D
Scan 30/1D
Search 50/2D+2
Focus 2/3D+1
Weapons:
1 Tractor Beam Projector
Fire Arc: Turret
Crew: 1
Skill: Starship Gunnery
Fire Control: 2D
Range:
--Space: 1-2/5/10
--Atmosphere: 100m-200m/500m/1km
Damage: 5D
Special Equipment: External Cargo Pods
The Bantha carries its cargo in a pair of large, detachable cargo pods, one on either side of the cockpit. Each pod can carry up to 100 metric tons, and multiple pod types are available, from bulk liquid to standard containers to special mission pods for replenishment, search & rescue and many others.
House Rule Notes:VELOCITY MODIFIER: 1D/1D+2* Flight
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